Edge 213 scores

[Brats]

A few posters from Gaf having the same thoughts as me.

Then you've been duped. It's easy to twist statistics so that you can make the figures look biased. The GAF poster has done it here by being selective with the games they've chosen. If they had included LBP (10/10), Demon Souls (9/10), Gears of War 1 (8/10) and Viva Pinata (7/10) the figures would have been far closer.

Remember, there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

[parkinho]

I think this is how it works with Edge: the games they like they score highly; and the games they don't like so much they don't score so highly. It's an illogical system, I know.

Nah, did you not read the post further up? It is proven, through the use of scores from Metacritic, that they are teh biased and only score 360 games highly. That or they purposely underscore overhyped titles purely for extra publicity.


Good old Edge. The no.1 cause of nerdrage since 1993.

[englishbob]

Quote of the whole mag? An interview with Codemasters head Gavin Cheshire...

EDGE "What about Britishness? As the last of the big British publishers,do you feel any duty in that respect?"
GC ".............Dirt 2:briliant game, but it's all American accents, so maybe were a little over the top with those. Maybe we should fly the flag a bit more"

If your reading this Gavin, YES YOU DO. The last Codemasters games I have touched have been terrible. I am already having nightmares on how you have potentially ****ed the F1 2010 game. A sport in which the Brits dominate, having someone called Troy talk me through some "sweet rides" will be the absolute last straw.

[Charlie]

Nah, did you not read the post further up? It is proven, through the use of scores from Metacritic, that they are teh biased and only score 360 games highly. That or they purposely underscore overhyped titles purely for extra publicity.


Good old Edge. The no.1 cause of nerdrage since 1993.

Yeah, that it is.

I still don't understand why so many people care so deeply about Edge reviews, nor do I understand what people want from them. Their scores aren't meant to represent the average score on metacritic or mirror the general consensus of the masses; their scores are a reflection on how 'they' feel about a game. Every month it's the same reactions - "Edge were wrong to score this that" and "I don't understand why they didn't like this, it's brilliant!". They score things the way they do because, shock horror, like all of us, they have their own taste in games.

[Prototype]

Yeah, that it is.

I still don't understand why so many people care so deeply about Edge reviews, nor do I understand what people want from them. Their scores aren't meant to represent the average score on metacritic or mirror the general consensus of the masses; their scores are a reflection on how 'they' feel about a game. Every month it's the same reactions - "Edge were wrong to score this that" and "I don't understand why they didn't like this, it's brilliant!". They score things the way they do because, shock horror, like all of us, they have their own taste in games.

Says the chap who refused to buy Mass Effect 1 because it got a 7 from Edge. I haven't read the GOW3 review, but if Edge say it is on top of its genre then why has it got an 8 compared to the 10 of Bayonetta? I played the demo of GOW3 and I enjoyed it much more than Bayonetta. The story and characters in Bayonetta just don't make any sense at all.

[prinnysquad]

On the other hand, many places use 7 as an average mark so it's natural to predict that overall Edge is going to seem to be scoring lower than a lot of other places.

True enough.

I remember reading a Gamespot (I think it was) forum thread on Gamecentral's Heavy Rain score.

A load of posters insisted that 7 was an average mark, because that is often the mean average of scores in, say, maths tests at school. Their argument was that most people got 7, and 5 was seen as a failure. Ergo, 7 should be seen as average, and most mags/sites use it as such.

An utterly ludicrous state of events, it totally misapplies the concept of a 0-10 scale. However, there's truth in the reality of it.

For this reason, metacritic is useless. If every reviewing body used the scale in the same manner then fairer comparisons could be drawn from it. As it stands, as long as some places use 5 as an average and some places use 7, then it's a crock to compare the scores.

Metacritic is a minefield of problems and useless as a comparative tool. It proves nothing. The playing field isn't level. If a game gets 5 stars out of 5, does it get 9 or 10 on the comparison scale? Because mathematically it covers 9-10. And 1 mark makes all the difference, lol.

[egparadigm]

Edge aren't just harsh reviewers, which by itself woudln't be a problem. They are biased reviewers:

God of War 3: 94 average, Edge 80 (-14)
Heavy Rain: 87 average, Edge 70 (-17)
Uncharted 2: 96 average, Edge 90 (-6)
Uncharted Drake's fortune: 88 average, Edge 80 (-8)
Killzone 2: 91 Average, Edge 70 (-21)
Ratchet ACIT: 87 Average, Edge 70 (-17)
Ratchet TOD: 89 Average, Edge 80 (-9)
Resistance 2: 87 Average, Edge 60 (-27)
Resistance FOM: 86 Average, Edge 70 (-16)
MGS4: 94 Average, Edge 80 (-14)
GT5P: 80 average, Edge 70 (-10)
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2: 83 average, Edge 70 (-13)
Motorstorm PR: 82 Average, Edge 70

Average: 14.3 points lower than Metacritic

And to prove they are not just harsh reviewers:

Halo ODST: 83 Average, Edge 90 (+7)
Halo 3: 94 Average, Edge 100 (+6)
Forza 3: 92 Average, Edge 90 (-2)
Forza 2: 90 Average, Edge 90 (0)
Fable 2: 89 Average, Edge 90 (+1)
Gears of War 2: 93 Average, Edge 90 (-3)
PGR3: 88 Average, Edge 90 (+2)
PGR4: 85 Average, Edge 90 (+5)
Ace Combat 6: 80 Average, Edge 80 (0)
Crackdown: 83 Average, Edge 80 (-3)
L4D: 89 Average, Edge 90 (+1)
L4D2: 89 Average, Edge 90 (+1)
Ninja Gaiden 2: 81 Average, Edge 80(-1)

Average: 1.1 point higher than Metacritic

So, let's analyse this a bit. EDGE uses a score out of 10 – not 100 – and always uses whole numbers – no 9.4s, only 9.0, 10.0. Therefore, virtually all of the 360 scores are the same as the metacritic average, whole number. Meanwhile, the PS3 numbers can be misleading by up to 0.9, such that, in most cases, EDGE's score is simply 1 point lower.

[Guts]

A few posters from Gaf having the same thoughts as me.
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That the Xbox 360 has better games?

[baad bwoy]

Edge is an extremely dull read imo, much prefer reading Gamesmaster - the writers in that magazine still seem to enjoy gaming.

[dvdmike]

Alice on DS is like my first ico. It gets stale in later levels tho

[anephric]

EDGE was so pro-PS3 in their articles and editorials for a while it was untrue, so I don't know how they can now be pro-MS. There's one issue where they pretty much do the 360 down in every department (I forget which one, it's where they assess the future prospects of every console and neg the 360 for being "off-white").

[JU!]

I always enjoy EDGE as a read their little pieces like the Perfect Dark remake info form the previous issue with Crysis 2 March 2010 212. If anyone can ever recommend me another magazine bar Games tm (Not in Japan, don`t want to subscribe) I`ll have a look. I don`t disagree with Edges scores usually and if you read the review of FFXIII, here: http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/...l-fantasy-xiii just in case you have not, it reads really well and I agree with everything they say (8 hrs in on FFXIII, friends have finished). As for Bayonetta, I just finished it and imo it`s one of the best games I have ever played and is the peak of the genre, and as far as I can tell from the GoW3 demo the combat in Bayonetta is streets ahead depth wise and has much variation within the game itself mini games etc the GoW3 probably does not. Plus replay value so I think it deserved the score it got of 10.

I understand it that a 5 score in Edge means average and 7 means worth buying. I own FFXIII and even if it got a 5 I would still own it because I usually don`t just listen to Edge and have a little look around for general opinion and take all into account. I do understand that it is strange with FFXIII that Edge gave it a 5 and the rest of the internet seems to think 7 but the review in Edge does not read like a 5.

[Charlie]

Says the chap who refused to buy Mass Effect 1 because it got a 7 from Edge. I haven't read the GOW3 review, but if Edge say it is on top of its genre then why has it got an 8 compared to the 10 of Bayonetta? I played the demo of GOW3 and I enjoyed it much more than Bayonetta. The story and characters in Bayonetta just don't make any sense at all.

Okay, so you didn't think much of Bayonetta. That's cool. Evidently Edge enjoyed Bayonetta a lot. What's wrong with that?

[EvilBoris]

I didn't really like bayonettas story but at least it didn't make my wrists ache as much of GOW1/2 and the demo

[rmoxon]

I always enjoy EDGE as a read their little pieces like the Perfect Dark remake info form the previous issue with Crysis 2 March 2010 212. If anyone can ever recommend me another magazine bar Games tm (Not in Japan, don`t want to subscribe) I`ll have a look. I don`t disagree with Edges scores usually and if you read the review of FFXIII, here: http://www.edge-online.com/magazine/...l-fantasy-xiii just in case you have not, it reads really well and I agree with everything they say (8 hrs in on FFXIII, friends have finished). As for Bayonetta, I just finished it and imo it`s one of the best games I have ever played and is the peak of the genre, and as far as I can tell from the GoW3 demo the combat in Bayonetta is streets ahead depth wise and has much variation within the game itself mini games etc the GoW3 probably does not. Plus replay value so I think it deserved the score it got of 10.

I understand it that a 5 score in Edge means average and 7 means worth buying. I own FFXIII and even if it got a 5 I would still own it because I usually don`t just listen to Edge and have a little look around for general opinion and take all into account. I do understand that it is strange with FFXIII that Edge gave it a 5 and the rest of the internet seems to think 7 but the review in Edge does not read like a 5.

I agree that Bayonetta has deeper combat but I'm pretty sure the God of War series (unlike Bayonetta) isnt just about combat and has the epic scale, increadable presentation, and the fact that it actualy makes sense going for it, and these things contribute towards the overall feel of it in a big way. Bayonetta didnt have any of those things and was generaly a mess, so 10 out of 10 is a bit high for me. Id also argue that the God of war games have more vartiation than Bayonetta too, the level design in the GOW games is phenominal and has some inspired stuff.

Anyway yeah its all opinions, but the thing is if youre going to publish your opinion you at least need to be fair and balanced with them, which edge dosent seem to be really. Not becuase of the Final Fantasy review as such, in fact as you say the review reads like its actualy a pretty good game. But the fact that they still gave it 5/10 just makes the whole thing a piss take really and just makes you wonder why?