Nintendo WiiU : Thread 05

[Team Andromeda]

And also, Nintendo EAD so far behind in terms of 1st-party in-house software developmen

Nintendo don't make In-House games a year- That's their problem and its a major issue for Nintendo. SONY and MS simply have more In-House /1st Party Studio's or Produce more games a year. That ensures the owner of their consoles, gets far more of a choice of games every year . Nintendo well there's just a massive gap in their release schedule and they don't have the 3rd party support to take up the slack.

[Team Andromeda]

Not being funny, but Sony and MS efforts in this area really haven't executed all that well.

At least they're there . Far better than Nintendo and when it comes to On-line Nintendo are so far behind its not even funny .

[Nu-Eclipse]

Sony and MS might have more quantity of 1st-party dev studios to choose from (and even then Nintendo have acquired more 1st-party studios in recent times so the gap really isn't that large), but the quality coming out of them is both arguably questionable and not up to that of Nintendo EAD at their best.

Sorry, Nintendo aren't "so far behind" in terms of 1st-party software dev. To say so is laughable.

[Nu-Eclipse]

At least they're they . Far better than Nintendo and when it comes to On-line Nintendo are so far behind its not even funny .

That they're there is almost completely irrelevant when they offer next to nothing on the whole.

Won't disagree with you about Nintendo's online gaming capabilities though. That has been a joke for years and years now. You can also include their digital content distribution services in that too.

[fishbowlhead]

My thoughts precisely!

And also, Nintendo EAD so far behind in terms of 1st-party in-house software development? Really?

Last thing ninty are behind in is in house games. EAD support both the wiiu & 3ds after all. With good games of very high quality I might add.

Advertising.
Clear messaging.
Unified account system where games are on your account and not console.
Online gaming.
Third party support.

Those points Nintendo are so far behind or just plain not bothering it's beyond a joke.

[Team Andromeda]

Sorry, Nintendo aren't "so far behind" in terms of 1st-party software dev. To say so is laughable.

How many Games did SONY and MS produce on the 360 and PS4 to that of Nintendo on the Wii ? . And I'll have a bet that SONY and MS will produce far far more titles for the PS4 and XBox One to that of Nintendo on the Wii .

That has been a joke for years and years now. You can also include their digital content distribution services in that too.

Just not good enough in this day and age.

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but the quality coming out of them is both arguably questionable and not up to that of Nintendo EAD at their best.

Quailty I agree not much beats EAD (more so EAD Japan) . But you know making 1 to 2 Mario 3D games and 1 Zelda game every gen of consoles just isn't going to cut it , much less sell your console to the masses now is it ?. SONY's Santa monica studio alone will produce more games really and that's just one stable inside SONY. MS will just spend billions on Producing its games line up .

[Team Andromeda]

Advertising.
Clear messaging.
Unified account system where games are on your account and not console.

So what about the people that likes to play the likes of COD, FIFA, GTA, AC , Rainbow Six, the more adult and action type of games that tends to sell these days. What about the online gamer that like to play on-line voice chat, invite to the game and everything more or less every SONY and MS On-Line gamer takes for granted .

What's Nintendo going to do about adressing that ? . Its far more than just a message, really

[fishbowlhead]

So what about the people that likes to play the likes of COD, FIFA, GTA, AC , Rainbow Six, the more adult and action type of games that tends to sell these days. What about the online gamer that like to play on-line voice chat, invite to the game and everything more or less every SONY and MS On-Line gamer takes for granted .

What's Nintendo going to do about adressing that ? . Its far more than just a message, really

Agreed and added to the list.

[DeathAdder]

I mean they haven't even got a phone app for the Wii U bless them .

I suppose it depends what you mean exactly by a "phone app", but for me, I would be quite happy if consoles didn't have apps that were nothing to do with gaming. My 360 has Youtube on it. So what? Why would I want to use it when I can do it on my tablet / phone / laptop. All I want my consoles to do is play lots of games.

Agree with many of the other failings of Nintendo you mentioned.

[Team Andromeda]

So what? Why would I want to use it when I can do it on my tablet / phone / laptop.

The trouble is in the modern age people expect their devices to do more than just the one task it was designed for . I have a top camera , shouldn't need to use the camera on my mobile, but I do . I use my XBox One as a BluRay player and sold my old BluRay player , hell half the time I use the mobile app to control my Samsung TV and Yamaha Amp It's just all about convenience.

And even iif it's just about 'lots of games' Then the XBox One and PS4 have already one as they have the better retail and 3rd party support.

[Asura]

I have no issue with consoles having apps like Netflix. I do take issue with the idea that this is somehow a "feature", rather than just an expected function of any computer-based device that can connect to the internet.

[PaTaito]

Nintendo need to get off the fence and either develop something entirely for the casual(which i think they will), or entirely for the core gamers.

The WiiU did neither, and only confused/annoyed each side.

To get good all round support isn't rocket science, first you have to have hardware truly capable of running the vast majority of game engines without restriction for 3rd parties, and have all the apps and features that others have as standard(which even the ps3/360 had last gen), a good network account system(their biggest downfall imo)and either release something traditional like ps4/xbone, or something far out like Wii...however i don't think they can get lucky like that again.

I can honestly see the next console being their very last...as they will inevitably go for the casual, and neglect things already mentioned.

The account system is nothing more than a cheap cash grab, knowing people will dip again and again for the same games if they ever buy/sell their hardware.

A victim of japanese corporate dilly dallying.

[Pikate]

I can honestly see the next console being their very last.

If you mean home console then maybe but I think the Nintendo boardroom in Japan is totally blind to the opinions of foreign markets/customers and in Japan they're doing okay. Personally what I think they'll do is limp home with 3DS/Wii U then the NX platform will be a shift from a traditional console generational model to an ecosystem where there's a handheld they revise/upgrade every two years and then the exact same hardware in a set-top box for "family gaming". Home and handheld with the same games, same peripherals and so on.

They're never going to go the Sega route, it's too much a prestige/bushido/japanese stubbornness issue and they've sold too many consoles, Wii-remotes, Amiibo and so on previously to just give up on their own platform any time in the lifetime of any current execs.

[DeathAdder]

The trouble is in the modern age people expect their devices to do more than just the one task it was designed for . I have a top camera , shouldn't need to use the camera on my mobile, but I do . I use my XBox One as a BluRay player and sold my old BluRay player , hell half the time I use the mobile app to control my Samsung TV and Yamaha Amp It's just all about convenience.

And even iif it's just about 'lots of games' Then the XBox One and PS4 have already one as they have the better retail and 3rd party support.

I'd argue there's nothing convenient about using Youtube on a console instead of a phone or tablet, whereas a phone is smaller than almost all cameras, so it is more convenient. I also think it's debatable that people expect apps on their consoles - many of them were just added by MS and Sony during the last generation and then listed as selling points by Microsoft in particular when they announced the XBone. Maybe you read and hear different opinions from those of the people I talk to, but nobody I know gives a damn about apps, apart from the BluRay player on their PS3 and even that's less important as people move away from disk-based media.

[Brad]

I think the next Nintendo machne will be a kind of hybrid. Single screen handheld that can plug into a dock and be hooked up to your tv.