*Official* iPod thread - all iPod discussion in here

[ChrisF]

16gb is 4x more than I have now, so will be plenty for me.... Its never going to be everything to everyone. There are plenty of other offerings from the likes of Archos for that kind of stuff.

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[Dogg Thang]

Its never going to be everything to everyone.

Up to now, their high end models were everything. They've been adding features (video, search function etc) and increasing capacity while keeping the unit as small as the previous gen, often getting smaller. The only thing the other models offered were smaller size and cheaper cost. For anyone with a lot of music, the upgrade choice was always clear cut.

This time, however, they have one model with loads of new features (yet missing search function and lyrics bizarrely) but takes a serious hit in capacity. The other model has great capacity at a good size but doesn't have the new features. Unlike previous iPod generations, no matter which you choose, you're missing out.

[IanE]

Why is this so hard for you to understand? I have 60gb or music. Add to that around 2gb of podcasts. 2gb of audiobooks. When I go away I usually encode a bunch of movies which can easily come out at 10gb or more. I like choice, I like to carry my music library with me, which funnily enough is how Steve sold iPods a few years back.

iPod touch has so little storage that is no longer possible, so you are saying that's fine because I don't want wi-fi and web browsing and a big, wide screen to watch movies on. Actually I do want all of that, and my whole music library.

Understand now?

Why is it so hard for you to understand that they are not catering to you? If you want the wi-fi and 'flash' extras, then go for the touch. You have to take a hit on the memory because it's flash (which is the way forward, donchaknow), that means it's half the size (maybe less) of a HD-based version. It's ALL about looks, put a HD in it and you're making an iPod Video/Classic with extras, it crosses the markets between the products too much.

There isn't so little storage, there is more than enough storage, you can't listen or watch all of the content unless you charge it up about five times, so how is that enough? Great, you want that, buy another product that isn't an iPod, yes, Steve Jobs sold the iPod to the people by allowing you to carry your music collection, YOU CAN STILL DO THAT. Do you understand? The touch is a premium device, it's not a standard iPod, thus it has a premium size which is limited by flash prices, making a 32GB one would be immensely stupid because it'd cost in excess of ?500.

Heck, I think you should just buy a sodding laptop! Widescreen, wi-fi, web-browsing, watch movies, play games! Clearly there's no pleasing some.

On the subject of the touch, It has been suggested that Apple should've done a thick and thin. One with 16GB of flash and a thicker HDD model.
That would please everyone.

It would add another to the range and more confusion to what is already quite a packed line-up, people would get the wrong impression of the touch if they saw a huge version and presumed that to be the only size (dimensions-wise) on the market. It's confusing - even people here get confused by the varieties of Xbox 360 on the market, so this'd be worse!

It does seem to make little sense. The Touch should have been the next generation of iPod. For that to happen, it needed at the very least 80GB of storage. 16GB is nuts. A giant step backwards. Hence the need to keep a 'classic', which really should have been dropped this generation if things were moving forward.

It shouldn't, it's a premium, maybe in the future it'll become the main seller, but the touch needs to be distinguishable form the Classic, the Classic is bigger, it has a much higher capacity but doesn't have the luxury of wi-fi and the aesthetic appeal that the touch does. 16GB is not nuts, it's the maximum storage capacity they can have before it becomes prohibitively expensive to the consumer. Having such a large touch-screen device would be a step backwards in my eyes. Things are moving forward, but Apple cannot simply advance a certain technology at will, it takes time, 32GB seems to be the highest that flash memory goes right now, 16GB is more than enough for me.

Well they could have added an SD card slot, or just made a 32gb flash version with an inflated price tag.

16gb is just too small, especially when you're going to be losing a chunk of that anyway to the usual formatting and OS requirements.

Then people would complain about the price of the 32GB version, it's the equivalent of a Nano, but twice the size and has a lot of premium features. If 32GB is fine for you, then why is 16GB any real difference? If it was released at 32GB and 16GB, would you be moaning about there not being a 64GB? It just goes on and on..

[Champloo]

Well they could have added an SD card slot, or just made a 32gb flash version with an inflated price tag.

Yes, thats what I just said above.

And they most probably will release a 32gb model i'd say, but I agree its a shame not to have it at launch.

[Champloo]

If 32GB is fine for you, then why is 16GB any real difference? If it was released at 32GB and 16GB, would you be moaning about there not being a 64GB? It just goes on and on..

I agree with you most of the way but there is a big difference between 32gb and 16gb. For me, 32gb might make a move to flash feasible, 16gb isn't enough.

I love this thread.

[Marmite]

Never owned an ipod myself but was potentially intersted in the Ipod touch as i will be in the market for a new player soon. But then i saw the memory size

Very dissapointing. Wish they could have found some way to provide a 40gb or 60gb version, even if it was a bit bigger (like Sony did with one of their players).

[ChrisF]

More importantly than all of this space nonsense, does anyone know if you could get away with buying an iPod TOUCH via company expenses? I was looking at buying a Nokia N800 the other week for my company and wouldn't have thought twice about putting that through. The N800 is a wifi enabled touch screen device, with a web browser, which happens to also play mp3s and videos. Ditto for the iPod.

I know it's pretty cheeky but it is technically the same kind of device as an N800...

[Number45]

But doesn't it fail because it's not actually a phone?

[ChrisF]

Well neither is the Nokia N800. Looky.

[angelox]

anyone know if apple charges as soon as your order, or when the item is ready to be shipped?

edit - nvm, they do

[ChrisF]

debit card when you place the order... credit card when the order ships.

http://promo.euro.apple.com/promo/help/uk/consumer/payment_creditcard.html

[pentarou]

I'm off to the US next week on holiday and I'm thinking of getting an iPod whilst I'm out there. I already have a Macbook so if it comes with a similar power supply with the removable plug, I should be able to use my 3 prong one that came with that right?

[IanE]

I'm off to the US next week on holiday and I'm thinking of getting an iPod whilst I'm out there. I already have a Macbook so if it comes with a similar power supply with the removable plug, I should be able to use my 3 prong one that came with that right?

iPods are charged via USB.

I agree with you most of the way but there is a big difference between 32gb and 16gb. For me, 32gb might make a move to flash feasible, 16gb isn't enough.

I love this thread.

Even if it was ?500? Buy two touches at that price!

16GB is more than you can listen to before it runs out of battery, by over five times.

[Kotatsu Neko]

I give up arguing with cacutar cat. Smashing my head against a wall would be more productive.

At least the problem I have with the touch - comedic lack of storage - is a complaint mirrored all over the web so hopefully Apple will get the message sooner rather than later. It's one of those classic 'close but no cigar' type products now, which is a shame.

[IanE]

Because it would make it a lot larger than the Classic, how don't you understand that? People don't want to pay more for a product that is bigger in size than the alternative. Flash memory has limits, get over it.

You want bigger storage, get a different product, you're not limited to iPods.