Superman: Man of Steel

[rmoxon]

Tell me some truly stand out action moments?

In iron man i can think of many, well thought out, and really entertaining.

My father who i watched it was falling asleep, and he and generally loves these types of movies.

Well the entire last 40 minutes are basically one giant stand out action moment. Like I said earlier the fights were brilliantly choreographed. I really loved the sequence with the bad trio trashing the small town. It was a just a big nod to superman 2, but was done in a superb fashion.

On a side note, like many I also loved all the little nods to the DC universe littered through the movie, especially in those last 40 minutes (like the name Lex Corp on the tanker that gets smashed up etc). They clearly put a lot of thought into the details and it showed.

[fishbowlhead]

Well the entire last 40 minutes are basically one giant stand out action moment. Like I said earlier the fights were brilliantly choreographed. I really loved the sequence with the bad trio trashing the small town. It was a just a big nod to superman 2, but was done in a superb fashion.

On a side note, like many I also loved all the little nods to the DC universe littered through the movie, especially in those last 40 minutes (like the name Lex Corp on the tanker that gets smashed up etc). They clearly put a lot of thought into the details and it showed.

The satellite that was brought down was Wayne tech too

[PaTaito]

Well the entire last 40 minutes are basically one giant stand out action moment. Like I said earlier the fights were brilliantly choreographed. I really loved the sequence with the bad trio trashing the small town. It was a just a big nod to superman 2, but was done in a superb fashion.

On a side note, like many I also loved all the little nods to the DC universe littered through the movie, especially in those last 40 minutes (like the name Lex Corp on the tanker that gets smashed up etc). They clearly put a lot of thought into the details and it showed.

Just because it lasted ages doesnt make it good...be it 40 minutes or 4 hours.

I expect more from a superhero with a plethora of powers at his disposal, just having them smash each other through buildings is for me one giant cop out....i reckon that even the last hulk movie had far more varied action, and he lives to smash everything.

So point out some stand out moments that are really memorable? In every good superhero flick there are usually many.

The avengers had the superb carrier sequence, iron man had the desert antics amongst many others, spidey 2 had the train sequence etc etc.

It simply lacked something memorable, and at the end of the day came off as mind numbing.

Like baseley said the action was by far the weakest aspect.

[rmoxon]

Just because it lasted ages doesnt make it good...

I expect more from a superhero with a plethora of powers at his disposal, just having them smash each other through buildings is for me one giant cop out.

Be it 40 minutes or 4 hours.

So point out some stand out moments that are really memorable? In every good superhero flick there are usually many.

The avengers had the superb carrier sequence, iron man had the desert antics amongst many others, spidey 2 had the train sequence etc etc.

It simply lacked something memorable, and at the end of the day came off as mind numbing.

Like baseley said the action was by far the weakest aspect.

I already stated a memorable sequence, just like you did for those films you mentioned. But every action sequence in Man of Steel was really memorable. The opening flying sequence on Krypton was epic with so much going on, and the climax was just jaw dropping. The film had a fantastic build up and it delivered on it ten fold. Every single second of the action was spectacular and riveting, I was cheering on the inside the entire time.

[PaTaito]

I already stated a memorable sequence, just like you did for those films you mentioned. But every action sequence in Man of Steel was really memorable. The opening flying sequence on Krypton was epic with so much going on, and the climax was just jaw dropping. The film had a fantastic build up and it delivered on it ten fold. Every single second of the action was spectacular and riveting, I was cheering on the inside the entire time.

So a flying dino with some generic shooting(which you only gave as an example is your second response), and basic smashing each other through building after building? I dont even count those as examples....the jumbo jet sequence in superman returns, now thats an example of something thought through and well executed on film.

All the action in MOS was about as unmemorable as you can get...give me something that every person will take from the film, apart from the headache at the end?

At the cinema the atmosphere from the crowd when the credits rolled was dry as a witches tit...

Maybe if the cinema were full of actual superman comic fans, the reaction would have been different... but obvious fan service aside...it lacked.

[rmoxon]

So a flying dino with some generic shooting(which you only gave as an example is your second response), and basic smashing each other through building after building? I dont even count those as examples....the jumbo jet sequence in superman returns, now thats an example of something thought through and well executed on film.

All the action in MOS was about as unmemorable as you can get...give me something that every person will take from the film, apart from the headache at the end?

At the cinema the atmosphere from the crowd when the credits rolled was dry as a witches tit...

Maybe if the cinema were full of actual superman comic fans, the reaction would have been different... but obvious fan service aside...it lacked.

Superman Returns was ok, but not only was the Jumbo Jet scene it's ONLY stand out moment, but it wasn't even filmed that well. After the excellent action scenes in Xmen 2 I was really disappointed with how little effort Bryan Singer put into Superman Returns, it was actually one of the least exciting Superhero films I have ever seen. Singer chose to focus on unrequited romance and ignored any chance to make a good super powered action sequence. The film lacked energy.

However the action in Man of Steel had lots of energy, and I felt like I was actually watching Superman for a change, the fights felt, well... You know... Super. I also liked how it was all a lot less generic than Superman Returns, which never felt like anything new.

An example of how fresh and how much more enjoyable Man of Steel was can be seen at the end of both movies. In Returns he has to overcome what is basically a giant ball of Kryptonite. In a similar sequence in Man of Steel he had to fly into the heart of a super powered death machine. The latter of those two scenes was far more exciting (and it was helped by some great editing, mixing it in with what was happening to the people in metropolis).

Man of Steel is just a far better film, and certainly has better and more memorable action.

[mekanor]

Tell me some truly stand out action moments?

In iron man i can think of many, well thought out, and really entertaining.

The entire Krypton sequence at the start
The Smallville fight with Faora and the big guy
The Metropolis fight
The final battle with Zod (which they take in to space may I remind you)

Honestly though, I don't know why you're arguing about this. It's a movie - some people will like it, some won't. I personally loved it. I thought the action was fantastic, especially compared to the Marvel films, which no matter which way you look at it are nearly all somewhat lacking in the quantity of the action (aside from the Avengers). Iron Man 3 for example - I really liked it, thought it was great even, but the only stand out action moment was on the oil rig at the end, and even then he was out of his suit for most of it.

For me, Man of Steel was so much more of what I want in a superhero movie. I don't expect to try and convince you to agree, but that's my opinion of it.

[PaTaito]

All anyone can come up with is "fight between x and x"....yes exactly smash, smash, smash......yawn.

There is nothing of note in terms of dealing with situations with anything other than.....smashing through stuff.

I wasnt bigging up superman returns might i add, and never did i mention that i even liked it...i'm simply pointing out how a well put together action sequence makes a film memorable, and to suggest that the jumbo sequence is superman returns only stand out moment is ridiculous.

Also even if it was, it was 100% more memorable than anything MOS has. "Oh but superman smashes into a death machine at the end" pffft pleeeease, bring back the kryptonite...all he did was lift it into space, but it was still more memorable than anything in MOS.

It also had way more heart, and some well needed humor.

[PaTaito]

Honestly though, I don't know why you're arguing about this. It's a movie - some people will like it, some won't.

Because this is a discussion on MOS specifically, and i cannot stomach the OTT praise its getting here, not because its a bad film.....its not a bad film per se, but because it has gaping flaws that seems to be constantly overlooked, or just ignored.

I keep asking for examples of good set pieces and action, but all i get back is the "fight with x was good"...but i dont buy that because it was nothing but generic demolition, with no real memorable sections. How many times flying through a building with someone, until it becomes tedious?....this film gives the answer well before the end.

What i'm looking for is a specific sequence that was well built up, entertaining, and with some thought put in...Superman smashing any of the zod brigade, or vice versa, just doesn't cut it for me. That just isn't memorable at all....maybe when the novelty of special effects was in full swing circa mid nineties, certainly not now, and certainly not with other great examples of how its done right.

Also i don't agree about the choreography, simply because of the rinse and repeat nature.

Oh and i'd take the end, beginning and middle of superman returns over anything of MOS moxy. At least it was interesting to watch the kryptonite sequence unfold and it actually represented a threat to superman, and you are crazy trying to knock the jumbo jet sequence, it was utterly exhilarating... minus brick wall smashing tedium.

[rmoxon]

Because this is a discussion on MOS specifically, and i cannot stomach the OTT praise its getting here, not because its a bad film.....its not a bad film per se, but because it has gaping flaws that seems to be constantly overlooked, or just ignored.

I keep asking for examples of good set pieces and action, but all i get back is the "fight with x was good"...but i dont buy that because it was nothing but generic demolition, with no real memorable sections. How many times flying through a building with someone, until it becomes tedious?....this film gives the answer well before the end.

What i'm looking for is a specific sequence that was well built up, entertaining, and with some thought put in...Superman smashing any of the zod brigade, or vice versa, just doesn't cut it for me. That just isn't memorable at all....maybe when the novelty of special effects was in full swing circa mid nineties, certainly not now, and certainly not with other great examples of how its done right.

Also i don't agree about the choreography, simply because of the rinse and repeat nature.

Oh and i'd take the end, beginning and middle of superman returns over anything of MOS moxy. At least it was interesting to watch the kryptonite sequence unfold and it actually represented a threat to superman, and you are crazy trying to knock the jumbo jet sequence, it was utterly exhilarating... minus brick wall smashing tedium.

Its a superman movie. Fighting bad guys is kinda his thing. If you were surprised by the fact that the majority of action in Man of Steel was him fighting people then you went to watch the wrong film.

They clearly tried to stray away from some kind of montage where he's flying about saving cats from trees and using himself as an extension of a train track becuase that would have been just as ridiculously cheesy a sequences as it was in previous films.

You also have to realise that this is a modern movie and a modern Superman. There are few modern comics where things like what I described above actually happen. Things are often darker and more mature now than back in the golden age, which is the era of comics the original Superman movies and Returns all payed homage too. More to the point, Superman's powers are his weapons. He uses them to overpower his enemies, that's virtually how he always wins.

There was nothing rinse and repeat about the action, but you clearly don't like movies where the main character fights a lot, and to reiterate, superman fights bad guys, Thats what he does. Anytime he is up against a super powered villain a massive fight kicks off where half of metropolis is destroyed, so you probably just don't like Superman.

[mekanor]

Because this is a discussion on MOS specifically, and i cannot stomach the OTT praise its getting here, not because its a bad film.....its not a bad film per se, but because it has gaping flaws that seems to be constantly overlooked, or just ignored

Sooooo other people are liking the film that you didn't like, you can't stomach that, so you're doing your best to bring everyone down?





Good job bro.

Also I realise I'm getting sucked in here, but remind me about all the great action sequences in Iron Man 3 (seeing as that's what you keep using as a comparison).

[PaTaito]

Its a superman movie. Fighting bad guys is kinda his thing. If you were surprised by the fact that the majority of action in Man of Steel was him fighting people then you went to watch the wrong film.

They clearly tried to stray away from some kind of montage where he's flying about saving cats from trees and using himself as an extension of a train track becuase that would have been just as ridiculously cheesy a sequences as it was in previous films.

You also have to realise that this is a modern movie and a modern Superman. There are few modern comics where things like what I described above actually happen. Things are often darker and more mature now than back in the golden age, which is the era of comics the original Superman movies and Returns all payed homage too. More to the point, Superman's powers are his weapons. He uses them to overpower his enemies, that's virtually how he always wins.

There was nothing rinse and repeat about the action, but you clearly don't like movies where the main character fights a lot, and to reiterate, superman fights bad guys, Thats what he does. Anytime he is up against a super powered villain a massive fight kicks off where half of metropolis is destroyed, so you probably just don't like Superman.

Exactly...but its not even fighting, its tired sequences of flying through buildings.

I dont get how you can possibly play down good action sequences by calling them cheesy etc, they are what make up every good flick of this type.

You think the examples of good set pieces i mentioned in other films are cheesy? Yeah ok mate...

Let me put it like this, if a terminator film was nothing but them smashing each other into buildings i would feel equally let down, which is partially why i hated salvation because the action(amongst many other things) was turd. But T2 had ultra memorable sections like the wagon chase, the cyberdine raid, the steelworks...if it didnt have these, people wouldn't remember it as the classic it is.

Superman could fight the same people and they could have made it 100% more interesting by just adding in some ideas and variety here and there, then only idea which came into play during the fighting was the wearing of the atmosphere masks.....which added virtually nothing but an excuse for sups to kick their asses, or rather, throw them through some buildings... Say what you like about returns(i dont think its any better as a whole, just more memorable) but people remember specific things because they were thought out, and didn't just purely involve his ability to smash stuff.

But hey i keep forgetting i'm discussing this with someone who just never excepts anyones opinion on anything, even in the light of **** like john carter.

Sooooo other people are liking the film that you didn't like, you can't stomach that, so you're doing your best to bring everyone down?





Good job bro.

Also I realise I'm getting sucked in here, but remind me about all the great action sequences in Iron Man 3 (seeing as that's what you keep using as a comparison).

This is kinda funny because you jumped on iron man 3 which i've not yet watched, and certainly never mentioned. I thought me mentioning the desert scenes was a dead giveaway, but i guess not lol.

Even though irom man 3 is supposedly action light, it likely makes up for it in other areas, which MOS does not...its a one trick pony with a shoddy routine. There is no comedy, its feels cold, and it isnt really structured well at all.

And please dont start trying to play the "dont bring others down" card, which lets be frank is plain stupid considering this is a MOS discussion thread...if you want to blow each other over man of steel, might i suggest a different title in a different thread.....maybe "Man of Steel Appreciation thread"

I aint bringing anyone down either, just man of steel, and rmoxon for his usual antics.

Anyway enough said on the matter, the weak examples i had back are enough for me.

[rmoxon]

What you consider a weak example others don't. You didn't like what happened in the action scenes but plenty of us loved them. For me the action was the best thing about Man of Steel. It blew me away.

And don't worry I'm sure you will love the action scenes in Iron Man 3, becuase I thought they were crap and not exciting. Though you might not like the fact that he doesn't save any cats from trees in it.

[bash]

MOS had all the action I've been waiting for in a superhero movie since . . . . Superman 2 funnily enough. There's no reason why Thor, Ironman 1, 2 or 3 or Hulk couldnt have had an equal amount of epic sized action in. Set pieces be damned, we deserve to see things get destroyed on a monumental scale like in MOS and superpowered people get thrown around like indestructible rag dolls. Us not getting it in a movie is like buying an event graphic novel and finding out all the fighting is squeezed into the over the last 2 pages.

Mind you, MOS had around a 200m budget. They made most of it back from product placement before the film had even come out. Thanos better F up the Avengers and galaxy guardians REAL BAD if Marvel wanna get respect back in my eyes.

[rmoxon]

Still love most of the Marvel films but Man of Steel certainly set the bar for epic comic book style action sequences very high. They are going to have to try very hard if they want to top it in that respect.

I do think a large part of how Spectacular the third act of Man of Steel was can definitely be attributed to the build up during the first two acts, it was just judged perfectly, the pacing was excellent, and when it all kicked off it just had this incredible impact on the viewer.