Superman: Man of Steel

[rmoxon]

Physically and that's my point they made it look easy, it's not as if Clark was pulling for ages

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they did all the damage they did and when it came to the finale it just seemed too easy, I didn't really find it controversial on Zod dying I just felt it was a clumsy ending and if someone was more imaginative then it could have been better, I'm sure people would argue they were both kryptonians so there power matched each other so the breaking of a neck would be easy

I understand why he found it hard mentally because he didn't like death and he was killing one of his own and he did it to save humanity the other side of it I thought was poor

In the same breath I like how he managed to defeat Zod and faora-el earlier In the movie when their facemark failed and they started to feel everything Clark had felt at a young age (faora-el was hit my a missle)

So if they had used that at a later process and he broke his neck then I suppose I might take that but they made It fully clear Zod acclimatise himself quickly, maybe not fully but much quicker than Clark

Zod acclimatising himself is not the same as him being as strong as Clark. Like Dave says Clark had been reaping the benefits of exposure to the sun for years, he was clearly stronger.

Plus you'd have to imagine that zod was still getting use o the atmosphere. Clark had been living on earth since he was a baby and he was still having trouble focusing his powers when he was a teenager.

[buster_broon]

Zod acclimatising himself is not the same as him being as strong as Clark. Like Dave says Clark had been reaping the benefits of exposure to the sun for years, he was clearly stronger.

Plus you'd have to imagine that zod was still getting use o the atmosphere. Clark had been living on earth since he was a baby and he was still having trouble focusing his powers when he was a teenager.

But a child who might have been born on krypton grew up as a human

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not allowed to practise any powers hence some abilities came after speaking to Jor-el

- so purely speculative on what he could do except strength

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who in the terms of the movie wasn't genetically created for any purpose since he was born naturally

He Didn't have any sort of upper hand in that battle whatsoever since he was fighting someone

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who was genetically made for combat and to be a general

I fact he suffered against the sub commander as well it I do agree Zod will still coming to grips with what he could do

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only after metropolis has been completely obliterated (mostly to the gravity well) with pretty much not a scratch in each other he manages quite easily to snap his neck - maybe I demand more than your from a movie but just feel short changed - would rather he flung him into the sun or used his heat vision to melt him or something less absurd

I love the film and certainly one of the finest superman movies so far but with everything that was going on and for it just to end like it did

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albeit saving the people he has pretty much protected

just took a little from it for me

[Neon Ignition]

It was only on a rewatch I noticed on the controversial scene that there is a soft sonic boom visual effect when Supes does it, it might not come across in the acting perhaps but the visual and audio effect suggest there was a huge amount of strength put into it

[bash]

Yup I noticed that too, which is why I'm not bitching too much about it

[rmoxon]

But a child who might have been born on krypton grew up as a human

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not allowed to practise any powers hence some abilities came after speaking to Jor-el

- so purely speculative on what he could do except strength

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who in the terms of the movie wasn't genetically created for any purpose since he was born naturally

He Didn't have any sort of upper hand in that battle whatsoever since he was fighting someone

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who was genetically made for combat and to be a general

I fact he suffered against the sub commander as well it I do agree Zod will still coming to grips with what he could do

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only after metropolis has been completely obliterated (mostly to the gravity well) with pretty much not a scratch in each other he manages quite easily to snap his neck - maybe I demand more than your from a movie but just feel short changed - would rather he flung him into the sun or used his heat vision to melt him or something less absurd

I love the film and certainly one of the finest superman movies so far but with everything that was going on and for it just to end like it did

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albeit saving the people he has pretty much protected

just took a little from it for me

Clark had been saving people for a few years, the people on the oil rig were not the first people he saved, there was a massive trail going all the way back to his school days. I'm sure Clark experimented with his powers, and even when his dad was alive, you're not telling me that he didn't shoot cans in the barn with his laser eyes when no one was looking.

There are obviously more flashbacks to explore in further movies, if Snyder chooses to go down that root with the sequel then we might learn more about how often he used his before before he became Superman, but right now we are left to fill in the blanks ourselves, so the film obviously requires us to assume that he knew how to fight.

Though Im not arguing that Zod as Superman's first adversary was throwing him at the deep end a bit.

Now they have done with Zod it will be interesting to see what villain they pick for the sequel, if they go the more traditional lex Luther route and introduce kryptonite, or stay away from that have someone like Darkseid. Hopefully they won't use Doomsday yet, it's too early in the series for Superman to die you'd think.....

Although part of me wishes they were not wanting to make the justice league film. That way they could actually film back to back Man of Steel sequels, and have the Doomsday fight at the end of the first one. That would be immense.

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Next Superman movie to have Lex and Brainiac in. Also introduce a rebooted Batman or at least give hints of him as well as Darkseid. Darkseid needs to be the main Justice League villan. He's too big for just supes.

[PaTaito]

I don't think it contradicted the logic in the movie so I don't know what you're disappointed about. Honestly I wanted more bashing and smashing. Sure this isn't Hulk but he was fighting against fellow kryptonians so it makes sense to some degree.

It's amazing how polarized opinions are about this movie. However, many fans of Superman, comic book movies in general love this movie, hail it as the best comic book movie yet. I sort of belong in this category and I really felt like a kid in this movie. Loved (almost) every second.

It contradicted logic period.

Also i understand superman is all powerful, but with that in mind it opens up so many possibilities in terms of set pieces etc, that its just a total cop out to just have smash, smash, smash, etc etc rinse.....and then repeat.

Story wise it was solid enough and i like the cast generally, but it lacked in the all important areas for me.

Iron man leaves this film in the doghouse.

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I love Iron Man but for me it's not even the best Marvel film let alone better than this. It's a great film, don't get me wrong, but the action and depth of MoS is greater than IM which relied much more on one actors performance.

[buster_broon]

Clark had been saving people for a few years, the people on the oil rig were not the first people he saved, there was a massive trail going all the way back to his school days. I'm sure Clark experimented with his powers, and even when his dad was alive, you're not telling me that he didn't shoot cans in the barn with his laser eyes when no one was looking.

There are obviously more flashbacks to explore in further movies, if Snyder chooses to go down that root with the sequel then we might learn more about how often he used his before before he became Superman, but right now we are left to fill in the blanks ourselves, so the film obviously requires us to assume that he knew how to fight.

So its subjective then

So filling in the blanks is upto the viewer so you think he was shooting cans whereas I could think he was trying on Martha's clothes and shooting heads off foxes, So its where people's opinions come into it so what you think isnt necessarily correct by your statement

It clear when he fights the sub commander his skills in a brawl as poor hence the discussion about the evolution of the species and he was handed his arse in That fight

Fair enough he was saving people but by memory it was only strength he used and speed

Just wanted a better end to a very good fight

I havent read the comic books but brainiac from smallville was terrible as was doomsday

I did like lex from smallville but didnt like gene Hackman in the movies

[rmoxon]

It contradicted logic period.

Also i understand superman is all powerful, but with that in mind it opens up so many possibilities in terms of set pieces etc, that its just a total cop out to just have smash, smash, smash, etc etc rinse.....and then repeat.

Story wise it was solid enough and i like the cast generally, but it lacked in the all important areas for me.

Iron man leaves this film in the doghouse.

Eh? A cop out? The set peices in this were brilliantly realised, far more spectacular than anything in the iron man films.

[rmoxon]

So its subjective then

So filling in the blanks is upto the viewer so you think he was shooting cans whereas I could think he was trying on Martha's clothes and shooting heads off foxes, So its where people's opinions come into it so what you think isnt necessarily correct by your statement

It clear when he fights the sub commander his skills in a brawl as poor hence the discussion about the evolution of the species and he was handed his arse in That fight

Fair enough he was saving people but by memory it was only strength he used and speed

Just wanted a better end to a very good fight

I havent read the comic books but brainiac from smallville was terrible as was doomsday

I did like lex from smallville but didnt like gene Hackman in the movies

I wouldn't use smallville as a good example of what the Villains are, they generally just changed them to fit the plot of the show, especially Doomsday.

[buster_broon]

I wouldn't use smallville as a good example of what the Villains are, they generally just changed them to fit the plot of the show, especially Doomsday.

You are right about that but I did enjoy lex in the tv show

Nuclear man 2 would be awesome

[rmoxon]

You are right about that but I did enjoy lex in the tv show

Nuclear man 2 would be awesome

They pretty much got Young Lex bang on, but he was one of the characters that the original creators of the show had there from the start. The show was probably never intended to run with the young Clark Kent idea for ten seasons, and so they eventually started adding Superman's other big villains and completely changing them just to fit a show where Clark still wasn't Superman yet.

[PaTaito]

Eh? A cop out? The set peices in this were brilliantly realised, far more spectacular than anything in the iron man films.

Tell me some truly stand out action moments?

In iron man i can think of many, well thought out, and really entertaining.

My father who i watched it was falling asleep, and he and generally loves these types of movies.

[Baseley09]

The action was the worst thing about man of steel, my eyes were closing from buildings falling down and characters being rugby tackled into concrete.

Not to say that I didn't enjoy it overall.