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[Matt]

Yeah would be interested in that mate, biceps can be hard to add to I find. It sounds like a cliche but the whole distorted body image thing is easy to get wrapped up in.
The only ONLY advantage of losing too much weight is that you can put it back on in muscle and not lard afterwards. Not that I would advocate it in any way.
I'm gonna have to head down to your gym soon chain, though I won't be quite as beefed as anyone else there

I'll get the workout down sometime over the weekend

Be good to see you at the gym mate. Don't worry about not being beefed up - I'm no myself Got a good mixture of huge guys and regular folk, everyone's a good laugh. It's the best atmosphere you've ever seen in a gym, none of that usual machismo bull**** this kind of gym tends to foster.

[mr ooops]

cheers chain, have ordered some mrm metabolic whey and will start a regeme of eating at regular times and stop skipping that important breakfast

[Matt]

cheers chain, have ordered some mrm metabolic whey and will start a regeme of eating at regular times and stop skipping that important breakfast

Excellent! What flavour did you go for? They're all lovely imo

Keep us updated on your progress, and all the best

[mr ooops]

as im trying to cut the naff stuff from my diet, ie choc i thought id torture myself and ordered chocolate

[Matt]

LOL. It's not quite the same, but it's as good as it gets if you want to get healthy....

Can I suggest you order your next tub pretty soon, I find having a single flavour gets boring; 3 times a day and all that. So I keep two on the go.

The MRM Strawberry/Banana is my best selling shake in the gym, and the Vanilla is the creamiest protein shake ever. Really can't go wrong

Now I'm just waiting for your, "You actually like this ****?" post

[mr ooops]

hehe, im sure i'll like it, tbh im not liking eating breakfast first time today in atleast 10 years ive had a breakfast ( i dont count the 10am fry ups on a sunday or the sneaky 9.30am on the way to karate sausage and egg mcmuffins as breakfast) seemed to make me feel bloated (did i eat too much? see below) but I will stick to it. also made sure I stopped for lunch and had a propper meal, again I'll stick with this.

my goal isnt weight loss its get fit/more energy/tone the few bits that wobble into muscle (stomach, and back of legs, the top half) improve all round strength during my kickboxing classes we do loads of press ups/sit ups/burpees etc and tbh im horrified at my strength and stamina this is my number 1 aim.

not good at setting what i will/wont eat, but im going to try and eat healthier, feel free anyone to rip my suggested diet to peices )

breakfast
1 slice of toast (brown with a minute spread of marmite) and 2 oatabix (same as weetabix but made of oats, new out with a small amount of semi skim milk) my coffee was replaced with glass of water.

mid am snack
protein shake

lunch
1 of the following
soap, granary roll and peice of fruit
salad, granary roll, peice of fruit
granary roll with turkey or chicken (not processed) proper slice off or deli counter so of the bone, peice of fruit
any suggestions for more variety, i manage a supermarket so all ingredients to hand and staff too make it

afternoon snack
protein shake

tea
1 of the following
spaghetti bolognaise
chilli con carne and brown rice
sweet and sour chic and brown rice
baked potato tuna and sweetcorn (have this 3 times a week anway as i love it )
skinless chic breast with new pots, sweetcorn and carrots and peas
skinless chic breast with baked pot and salad
puddings got to say i used to have cakes
but now im gonna go for fruit chopped with some natural yoghurt with some chopped nuts on top (just like the sainsbury advert mango/yog looks lush )

supper
this will be stopped (this will hurt)
will now bring it forward a couple of hours and have my 3rd protein shake, think you recommend this with water not s/s milk

banned foods
bags of crisps , someone told me tortilla chips are good in moderation, any truth in this?
sweets
donuts from are instore bakery
sausage rolls from are bakery
pizza from dominoes etc
chinease takeaways
pop................. this will hurt me as much as it hurt marcus
booze, except my 10pm friday pint, been a tradition since starting karate we all do the lesson go home for a bit then meet up at the local,

with regards banned foods im going to set monthly targets say x amount of pressups/squats/sit ups in x amount of minutes and if i reach this goal I can have something from above list as reward, fail and i dont.

cutting the crap will be hard, work in a supermarket and have too many naughty temptations that said i have a vast selection of healthy snacks aswell.

wife works evenings so when shes at work i eat junk while playing xbox live, so need to do something else while i get used to new regeme.

there its down on paper so too speak so i will stick to this

any tips you wanna chuck my way, not just chain but anyone would be greatly appreciated. especialy on lifting weights what weight to start at and what reps, freqeuncy etc

.....................sorry for long post

cheers
jason

[mr ooops]

oh yeah should i take any vitamin supplememnts or would i be getting everything i need from my diet?

[Matt]

Try to cut out the sweet & sour and the like, almost all sauces are high in fat, and if not they're loaded with sugar and salt. The "Low Fat" stuff tends to sacrifice fats for carbs, which is as bad.

BTW peanut butter - get the proper version, not the Low Fat, the fats in nuts are good for you.

Some of your meals lack a protein source, so again look at that. Sorry mate, it's kind of important

Other than that, looking good. Nice to see you've thought about it, making a diet list of what you can eat is a great way to get started. Go shopping for the healthy food, chuck out everything in the fridge and cupboards that's not health (don't hold on to it, if you're like me a packet of biscuits is just too tempting).

Regarding vitamins, I strongly suggest taking one regardless of how healthy your diet may be. It will never hurt! For starters, look at a good brand like Holland & Barrett multi-vitamins. DO NOT get the **** they sell in Asda and the like, they're crap quality; not all vitamins are made equally, you may as well eat a lump of chalk. And get some cod-liver oil.

If you're feeling a bit more serious and training hard, I recommend ProLab Training Paks. Each tub contains 30 packets, each packet contains 6 tablets which have pretty much everything in it you need. A packet a day, so a tub a month. I think they're around ?17 a tub, may sound a lot but I think it's worth it.

[mr ooops]

like the peanut butter suggestion, presumed that would be a bad food

as for the protein, any food i should look for?

cheers for the advice

regards
jason

[buster_broon]

any doctors in the house

after speaking to Seany1979 in pm's i may have to see some doctors advice, but nice to get some help here as well

my daily meals at the moment consist of:

Breakfast
Eat and throw up immediately

Lunch
The same as above

Dinner
The same as above

i was a nice and fat 17st 4 (i have the frame to carry it) but 3 weeks later i now weigh in at 15st 6

anybody every came across this before

ruled out
Hiatus Hernia (no acid reflux)
Ulcer (had a blood test already)
Thyroid (its fine)
colesterol (only about 3.2)

[spagmasterswift]

Jesus Broon. Sorry to hear that mate. Don't know what could be wrong but I hope you get well soon man!

[Matt]

Broon, hope you get better mate. Really don't think you should be looking for "internet advice" on a serious matter like that, you need a proper doctor!

Mr Oops, sources of protein are invariably animal product. Milk is good (casein protein, slow to digest, good over night) but high in carbs, and cheese is too high in fat in any high quantities. So you're looking at meat. Chicken, Turkey, lean Beef, and fish (nothing too oily). Pork is high in fat so best avoided, as is lamb.

On average, if you go for 100g of lean meat as being equal to about 25g protein, you can't go far wrong.

[mr ooops]

cheers

[Commander Marklar]

In your case, I get the impression from past posts you're really in to "fitness" rather than bodybuilding. I don't know any athletes, including endurance runners, who don't supplement protein. That may necessitate a drop in carbs and fats to balance out your calories, it's hard to tell until you start taking it. From what I understand, it's pretty much impossible for protein to be metabolised to fat in the body (please check this I've read this both ways) so that won't get stored as fat. I suppose what can happen is any surplus protein may be used as energy, creating an energy surplus resulting in excess carbs being stored as fat, but I think you'd have to eat a lot for that to happen - normally excess protein will go straight through you

Aye, this is correct Protein is a really bad energy source; it's essential for filling in those missing amino-acids for your body to use building stuff but bad as an energy source. The body won't store it as fat, it will (literally) go straight through you.

If you're a runner, don't over do the protein. Maintain a balance, roughly 11-15% of your diet and cut back before doing an event, increase carb intake. Too much protein and you will weigh yourself down and it'll affect your muscles ability to store fuel. Too much protein will kill you anyway; it affects liver and kidney function if you OD.

Some basic info here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/healthy_..._protein.shtml

[spagmasterswift]

Peep this - just weighed myself and I've lost half a stone