Depp vs Heard

[Neon Ignition]

That's where we circle back around to my opening point, Heard is just one person and even if she is found to be the aggressor she would represent an incredibly small percentile in that but thanks to the way she has positioned herself it'll be used by ill parties as some sort of lightning rod example to try and ignore legitimate victims. If she's in any way at fault she'll have even more victims in her wake in effect

[Neon Ignition]

Johnny Depp testifies that alleged abuse of Amber Heard ‘never happened’ | Johnny Depp | The Guardian
Depp has taken the stand and said that Heard's accusations of abuse are 'not based in any basis of truth'

Depp also said that tales of his drug abuse were overstated saying he was addicted to a painkiller called Roxicodone during filming of the fourth Pirate's film following a snake bite.

So far the witnesses called continue to largely support Depp's version of events though Heard's side will soon be coming forward.

[Neon Ignition]

https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/johnny-depp/amber-heard-supporter-booted-from-defamation-trial-after-being-accused-of-tweeting-and-misrepresenting-information-to-lawyers/

A supporter and apparent friend, possibly girlfriend, of Amber Heard has been barred from the courtroom for the rest of the trial after live tweeting and misrepresenting information to Heards lawyers.

[Asura]

if she is found to be the aggressor she would represent an incredibly small percentile

I think the point of normalising this is that it might actually be a significantly larger segment of the population. It might not be. But the point is that there's no way of knowing. Globally there could be many people who are being physically abused by their spouses who just don't have a voice.

I know this will be co-opted by misogynistic people, but I don't think we can just ignore the problem because of that.

[Neon Ignition]

That's true, it's very much a perception that male victim abuse is the much smaller end of the scale. If it's not though then societal domestic abuse is at a frightening scale given how much we know women suffer with it.

[Asura]

That's true, it's very much a perception that male victim abuse is the much smaller end of the scale.

To be clear, even if it was normalised, I don't believe that female-instigated domestic physical abuse is on anywhere near the scale of male-instigated physical abuse. But there's a chance that it's much more widespread than it presently appears; like I think the present societal consensus is that women who resort to physical violence in this way is really, really rare, and it might be that it's just uncommon. That would help a lot of people who are either presently in relationships with women who aren't taken seriously when they voice that.

[Neon Ignition]

I don't doubt for a second it's more widespread than is reported, another potential interesting thing that this case could contribute to highlighting potentially

[Blobcat]

From the concerned relationship posts ive seen online like on Reddit and casual mentions of men getting physically assaulted in the light and heavy sense, as well as it been a pretty constant shrugged off acceptable response from women being pissed off slapping a guy in tv and film, I think it's way more widespread than people think as many who have experienced it rarely talk about it (not that every woman admits to be hit or pushed around by their partners either).

I've had female family friends push and slap or scratch others in my presence and they say its 'not the same' as a guy hitting a woman, to the point it derails into them name-calling and derogatory comments like the man being soft. Its **** and sucks and does happen and wrong.

Like mental health issues, like LGBTQ+ issues, domestic violence does happen and should be understood and recognised more on both sides as well as women preying on young boys which, again, gets different reactions from the public than the other way around.

[Neon Ignition]

If so inclined, here's Depp's entire day two cross exam with him answering an array of questions and for the most part Heard working on her poker face

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In bullet point form:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/johnny-depp-i-locked-myself-in-the-bathroom-to-avoid-wife-amber-heards-fury-xmbfx92pg

Depp describes locking himself in a bathroom to escape her anger

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/johnny-depp-accuses-amber-heard-204522237.html

Accounts her infamous defecating on his bed

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/apr/20/johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial-marriage?fr=operanews

Verbal abuse

https://www.ladbible.com/entertainment/amber-heard-told-johnny-depp-i-hit-you-in-audio-played-to-court-20220420

Audio being played to the court in which Heard talks about her hitting Depp

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/johnny-depp-details-infamous-row-26758716

How she severed the end of his finger

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/amber-heard-admits-to-hitting-johnny-depp-in-recording-played-in-court-as-actor-describes-roundhouse-kick/ar-AAWq7J5?ocid=BingNewsSearch

Roundhouse kicking Depp

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/johnny-depp-says-begging-amber-26757828

Heard withholding his medication

You didn't get punched. You got hit," Heard tells him on the recording. "I'm sorry I hit you like this, but I did not punch you. I did not ****ing deck you. I ****ing was hitting you. I don't know what the motion of my actual hand was. But you're fine. I did not hurt you. I did not punch you. I was hitting you."

After Depp tries to interject, she taunts him: "I'm not sitting here bitching about it, am I? You are. That's the difference between me and you. You're a ****ing baby."

Just because I've thrown pots and pans does not mean that you come and knock on the door," Heard apparent said, in the middle of an argument after Depp told her he escaped their fights by going to the bathroom.

n a separate tape, Heard does not appear to dispute Depp after he tells of her "hitting me in the skull." Instead, Heard appears to justify her behavior.

"There was a lot going on, and I was on Ambien," Heard responded.

"It's just to get out of a bad situation while it's happening before it gets worse," Depp said. "In Australia, when we had the big fight where I lost the tip of my finger, at least five bathrooms and two bedrooms I went to—"

"To avoid talking to me," an emotional Heard replies.

"To escape the fight," Depp continues.

"You don't escape the fight; you escape the solution," Heard presses.

[Asura]

She sounds like an absolute monster.

"I didn't punch you, I hit you" sounds like such gaslighting bull****.

[Neon Ignition]

I feel I'd already heard or read etc most of what came up in his cross exam so it makes me fascinated to hear hers.

[nonny]

She sounds like an absolute monster.

"I didn't punch you, I hit you" sounds like such gaslighting bull****.

As someone who has experienced stuff like this first hand in a previous marriage that comment resonates. I'm sure Depp is no angel and excess/addiction just throws fuel on the fire but if she's testifying to that behaviour then it's abuse.

[Asura]

As someone who has experienced stuff like this first hand in a previous marriage that comment resonates. I'm sure Depp is no angel and excess/addiction just throws fuel on the fire but if she's testifying to that behaviour then it's abuse.

It's the bit where he's talking about leaving and locking himself in the bathroom, and she's accusing him of not being "manly".

That person is twisted. It reads like she's creating situations where she wants him to lose it, so she can blame him tomorrow.

[Dogg Thang]

Sounds pretty cut and dry, at least in terms of what she has been doing. I do wonder if it needs its own thread though. The US thread here has gone a bit TMZ.