Uncharted 3: Drakes Deception

[rmoxon]

Ah so it's too hard say no more

Eh?

I don't consider the game hard, I consider the game unfair, there is a massive difference and some people don't seem to realise that. Its the difference between being frustrated at a game and only ever being frustrated at yourself for playing badly.

Dark Souls is my game of the last year, possibly the decade, and now that's hard, I died constantly and I loved it.

Uncharted 3 is poorly designed and unfair. It features ultra armoured fiery headed folk who come at you from every angle and teleport behind your back and kill you in one hit for god sake. I ended up at one checkpoint where everytime I reloaded I was dead again within half a second becuase one guy just kept teleporting next to me and shooting me in the face.

I love a challenge, more so than a lot of people, but instances like the above are just a giant middle finger to the players forehead. Naughty dog were basically laughing in our face and all the way to the bank when they put so little effort into the combat design in this game.

[Neon Ignition]

If you got snagged by a checkpoint that's bad luck, but hardly a common flaw within the game. The burning head dudes remain far easier than most of the latter enemy encounters in UC1 & 2 and are easy to predict.

[Dogg Thang]

If the easiest entry gives you that much jip then it suggests a certain other explaination rather than the game being at fault.

Really, the 'so you're finding it too tough when it's easy' argument is a bit of a cheap shot. I have more difficulty with the combat in this than I did with the first two. But, more importantly, when I die in this, it usually frustrates me in a way it didn't in the first two. It doesn't feel like I earned it. I'm still not sure what makes that difference exactly.

And, as has been said before, it's not just the aiming.

[rmoxon]

If you got snagged by a checkpoint that's bad luck, but hardly a common flaw within the game. The burning head dudes remain far easier than most of the latter enemy encounters in UC1 & 2 and are easy to predict.

I would agree that the above instance was bad luck if it wasn't for the fact that there are several other reasons I found the game unfair too.

And you may have found them easier than I did, but I don't think they were actually easier than other enemies in the first two games. The first two games are probabaly about the same difficulty as this one, the main difference is that this one is unfairly made.

Dodgy checkpoint aside I didn't even die that much in this in truth, not compared to games that are designed to be really challenging anyway. However I was constantly frustrated at this game becuase the combat is so sloppy. Ther are far too many moments where they just throw enemies at you from every possible direction, it's neither enjoyable to partake in or challenging, it's just unfair and as Dogg Thang says that was never an issue in previous games.

[Neon Ignition]

To be honest, part of the reason you might be feeling the combat is more frustrating than others find it might be because you're not as engaged with the game. If you're playing it feeling disappointed or disengaged you're probably not going to have as much patience for the combat bubbles as others. Maybe it's differences in expectations going in

[Dogg Thang]

You could be right, up to your last sentence. I came to the first with no expectations whatsoever so that was a surprise treat but my expectations would be no different with this one than with the second one. I have never been a fan of the combat in UC, for reasons that have been highlighted earlier, so yes it's possible that I'm getting more frustrated with the combat here because the overall experience doesn't quite feel worth it. But... I think the rest is pretty fantastic so not sure that's it either. Always found combat in UC a bit of a chore but it has crossed a line to pain in my ass in this one.

But you're definitely right that I don't have much patience for them at this point.

[ETC]

But rather than bitch about it why not just say "oh we'll it's not for me I'm not enjoying this" take it to your local retailer and get on with your life there are more than enough games in there to buy, I'm sure there will be one that anyone will enjoy - I'm not targeting this at anyone btw but if people are that upset about a game and not enjoying it enough to bitch constantly about it would it not be better to recoup your money and get something you do like no?

[Dogg Thang]

Let's clarify. I don't like the combat. There is more to Uncharted than the combat. It's just that is the aspect that has dominated the last few pages. I'm enjoying the other aspects.

And then... 'bitch constantly'? Really? This is a discussion board. Views that aren't always positive or don't reflect your world view kind of come with the territory. To apply your own advice, if you don't like it, would you not just read something else? But then that's not advice I'd give personally because it's probably not all that constructive really.

[ETC]

no its a first play thread therefore multiple posts about the same issue are pretty pointless some people dont like the combat and thats fine some people dont like the aiming and thats fine too but does it break the game, well thats purely down to an individuals choice. I like the game, so what, its no big secret that I do; personally I have had no issues with it yes its very unforgiving and can be a pain in the ass when you checkpoint near an unfair fight but for me the story is strong enough for me to plough through it.

Dogg Like you say this is a discussion board but this thread in particular has just seemed to turn in to a negativity fest about the same topic. In answer to other peoples views that differ from mine good for them I say does it influence or bother me if people disagree with me? not at all I am more than comfortable in myself to not need or care for affirmation from others to validate or reinforce my opinions (not that im saying you do, just in case that comes across as im saying otherwise) whilst respecting the fact that everyone is entitled to think what they want about it but at the end of the day its only a game.

[rmoxon]

Yeah, telling someone to not talk about things they don't like on a discussion board is a bit weird.

As for expectations of the game not being met, it's not that at all. It's pretty much the game I though it would be, except it has rubbish combat.

[Dogg Thang]

Evilthecat, this has not turned into a 'negativity fest'. Maybe you're just seeing it that way because the negativity does not reflect your view? All that's really happened here is that two people expressed a dislike of the combat and the validity of that viewpoint has been challenged. For about four pages. Many disagree with the view, many have no problems and make good points and that's cool. That's discussion. The view is still valid.

Where it really becomes a problem is when it gets to STFU. When disliking something becomes 'bitching constantly' that's just trying to shut down a point of view you don't like. Ignoring where some (me) have said it's 'pretty fantastic' in the process because the real problem isn't negativity. Telling people to go elsewhere. That's not discussion. Calling posts 'pointless'? Also probably not really in the spirit of discussion. And, in spite of how you many have intended it, doesn't come across as that respect you mention.

So, given this is a very good message board with excellent people, let's discuss. If you like the combat, tell us why. If you're fed up with the mere mention of combat, steer the discussion.

[Colin]

What I found replaying the whole three back to back last week (In the space of two days) was that they were all very different to each other, but I didn't let that ruin my fun of what I consider to be the best gaming series i've ever played. For me, I just adjusted my play style to suit whichever one I was playing. I played Uncharted 2 first, (Back when it came out I mean) which was my first foray back in to 'modern' gaming for many years as I was an out and out retro gamer. That game blew me away, but was then followed by let down after let down as the other games around couldn't match it. What I did find though, was giving them all another play through is that they all have their faults, some of which are glaring, but they're still brilliant experiences.

[bash]

I dont buy this theory of U3 being hard cos I personally am rubbish at most games and whenever I struggled on the same bits on U2 and U3 I just took a deep breath and approached the battles in a different way which would usually result in success. I used to just try and rush through the fights because of the cut scene before hand would suggest you hurry up and rush things because the characters were normally in a panic. Unfortunatly you have to disconnect a little and realise theres a normal predicatable method of despatching of your enemies.

[rmoxon]

So, given this is a very good message board with excellent people, let's discuss. If you like the combat, tell us why. If you're fed up with the mere mention of combat, steer the discussion.

This is a good point. Some people are saying the combat isn't bad but does anyone actually have anything good to say about it?

Becuase for me personally it's on Kane and Lynch levels of messiness, but I'd like to read about something that people like about it all the same... If there is anything.

[Jimmyboi]

Well all I can say is that I prefer the combat to UC3 online than the Gears franchise so it can't be 'that' bad. In the Uncharted main game enemies take too many hits to go down but that's nothing compared to the bullet sponges in Gears and given that I've always got the impression Uncharted was originated by an attempt to create a PS3 exclusive Gears, I can see how they ended up going down that somewhat dodgy road with the combat. It feels more wrong with Uncharted though because the plot is attempting something more identifiable than a dumb sci-fi setting.