Destiny 360/PS3/XBOX ONE/PS4 review

[bcass]

The Halo AI only really shines when you're playing solo and on Legendary difficulty. The fascinating thing about the AI in all the Halo games is that they didn't actually code additional difficulty levels. Instead, they just gave the enemies more energy on the higher settings, which meant that the complexity of the AI routines had longer to exhibit themselves. Basically, the enemies got more cunning the longer they lived.

I played the original Deus Ex, and although a great game, doesn't have anywhere near the satisfying level of gunplay that Halo does. Played all the Half Life games too, and although brilliant, it's not because of gunplay or AI, it's because of the sense of adventure. Although the original Halo has plenty of that going for it. Goldeneye and the orignal Perfect Dark were (and still are) brilliant games, but not for the same reason Halo is, although I'd argue that aside from Halo, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were some of the most innovative and influential FPSs ever.

[Lebowski]

Sad to think you guys haven't played classics like, Jedi Knight, Shogo, System Shock 2 or Deus Ex, time to take a trip to GOG for you guys, there all worth owning.

Quake's AI was what moved FPS forward with the enemies stalking you across the whole level. Can't say I found the Halo A.I was any better than Perfect Dark or Golden Eye.

Funny thing here is Uli is that I'm not a big PC gamer at all.

I've played all these What system shock and Deus ex did was added more of an adventure feel to the game with puzzles to solve and items that had to found and used, they where like point and click adventures just put in 3d with shooting. This is what they added to the evolution of shooters there AI and shooting mechanics where nothing special.

What Halo and Destiny get so right is the feel of the weaponry and the behaviour of its enemies, there's nothing like destiny about at the moment, the end game content, is unique and fun. Crotas end the Vault of glass are amazing multiplayer gauntlets. The mix of puzzles platforming and boss battles make it feel like a real accomplishment when you beat them. its just a shame that so many have not got to experience this side of the game as its hidden behind a ropey story and quite a bit of grinding.

[Uli]

@ S3M
i didn't mean to out you or anyone here as a PC purist - i doubt there are many on this forum anyway. however i also played Deus Ex and Jedi Knight but Halo is really in a different league. Enemies have not only smart AI routines but also character which is very rare in shooters. play Halo CE or Halo 2 on Heroic or Legendary difficulty and you really get to respect and fear the Elite commanders when they laugh at you dying over and over from their well placed plasma grenades and salvos.

@ bcass
i don't think Halo's higher difficulty settings add just more stamina to the enemies. from my experiences (i finished every Halo game on Legendary) the enemies become much more unpredictable and smarter on both defense and attack. this could not be achieved with just making them stronger.

@ fishbowlhead
indeed, the Halo AI has been watered down a bit over the last games and they even became buggy. in Halo 4 you could shoot Elites in the head and they wouldn't even move to evade the inevitable kill shot. but Halo 2's AI was just as decent as in Halo CE, maybe even more varied due to the introduction of the Brutes with their fast and deadly charge attacks.

[fishbowlhead]

Halo ce ai is a real odd one. There was never a game I played before it that gave you such a sense of actually fighting a creature that existed in the game.

I don't think bungie even know how they did it as no game has matched it since, the brutes were just bullet sponges and never had the cunning of the elites.

The thing I enjoy most about halo2&3 was watching the marine ai and seeing just what they were capable of. Driving around on their own, taking enemies down with squad tactics, panicking and running, rallying together. Really amazing stuff

[fishbowlhead]

Anyway back to destiny. Did vog for the first time in months the other day, and what a bumper haul.

This was all from one run with my Titan.

Fatebringer.
Vision of confluence.
Hazel vengeance.
Corrective measures.
Fusion rifle.
Titan helmet.
Titan chest piece.
Titan greaves.

Quite the haul

[Lebowski]

Anyway back to destiny. Did vog for the first time in months the other day, and what a bumper haul.

This was all from one run with my Titan.

Fatebringer.
Vision of confluence.
Hazel vengeance.
Corrective measures.
Fusion rifle.
Titan helmet.
Titan chest piece.
Titan greaves.

Quite the haul

what level and have you had a vision of confluence before? im running a VOG tonight in the hopes of finaly getting a VOC its the only raid weapon that alludes me

[wicky]

VOC is a great gun, I just put an etheric light in last week to bump it to 365, and it is amazing.

[fishbowlhead]

what level and have you had a vision of confluence before? im running a VOG tonight in the hopes of finaly getting a VOC its the only raid weapon that alludes me

You can only get the element primary raid weapons on hard on vog. I've got 3 voc now but only 2 characters. Fatebringer at 365 is just devastating, waiting for more ethiiric light to upgrade my voc to 365 now.

[Lebowski]

You can only get the element primary raid weapons on hard on vog. I've got 3 voc now but only 2 characters. Fatebringer at 365 is just devastating, waiting for more ethiiric light to upgrade my voc to 365 now.

I put a thread up on reddit to ask and loads saying it drops on normal for beating Atheon, the fate bringer and vex are the hard mode rewards so this kind of makes sense. I have abut 20 hm finishes and only a few normal mode. Have had 3 vexs's though from the hard mode and even the super rare Praetorian Foil but no vision yet.

[wicky]

It deffo drops from normal. The impact on the Praetorian Foil is crazy, I really should try it out more.

There are loot tables avaiable here if you are interested.

http://www.vogloot.com/

[wicky]

I would also recommend putting an etheric light into found verdict, that thing has become a beast in PoE

[S3M]

Good shout! I love those games. I bought SHOGO last week along with Kingpin.

Good man QC, good man, need to pick up a copy of Kingpin myself.

Fair enough Uli, me and my brother have done most of the Halo games on Legendary in Co-op and just never found the A.I. that good. While not a combat FPS Thief's A.I was great as the enemies look for you if you heard a sound and did things like run for help when they where injury or trigger alarms.

fishbowlhead your getting confused with the new drops, Vision of Confluence drops on both normal and hard in VoG easier to get one from normal as the drop pool is smaller. Lebowski vogloot is you friend here as wicky points out.

Changes to Skolas next week it appears, mind you if Destiny has as many players as they claim 378,511 Fireteams clears for 3 weeks is pretty low on Skolas.

https://www.bungie.net/7_Bungie-Weekly-Update--06112015/en/News/News?aid=13016

[wicky]

I am intending to tackle skolas tonight for the first time!

Got my black hammer and Gjally primed... wish me luck

[fishbowlhead]

Fair enough if it does drop on normal, I'd never seen it drop on normal before and only received it myself from hard mode.

[S3M]

I am intending to tackle skolas tonight for the first time!

Got my black hammer and Gjally primed... wish me luck

As long as there both 365 you'll be find, if you have two team mates with 365 Gallys he's go down fast.