Ignorant Hypocrites - a topic of sorrow

[Spatial]

Have to say I wouldn't like it if a sales clerk was passing judgement on me based upon the products I was buying.

Me neither, but try telling that to the Manager of my local GAME who tried to lecture me on the release date games I was buying (for a Gamecube I'd got elsewhere).

He made such an arse of himself, in the end I just stopped listening and actually put my head on the shop counter until he'd finished talking. Got a few laughs from the people waiting to be served, made him look like a fool, and gave me a bit of a break from the massive hangover I was having

As I only know casual gamers outside of this forum I'd be ok in dealing with people who just want the latest EA game. In `real life` I know only three or four people who occasionally play games. One of those hasn't even got a console anymore, another one's last purchase was Vice City for the PS2 on release, and anothers last purchase was Halo - and he couldn't be bothered to finish it ( I think he got of The Pillar of Autumn and that was it )

Some of you have no idea what its like to be all alone : sniff :

[hankwangford]

Aha, but to some people that is not the case, to some food is a fanatisism, a matter of life and death, eating at the best restaurants, cooking, discovering new food - you get the idea.

My point was food is an essential. Gaming is not.

Completely different: Kaldron is not the Chief Exec of gamestation (or wherever), his job - and duty to his managers is to sell games, to make profit for gamestation. His managers don't care which games he sells, so long as he sells them. Now in your example he would run - lets say - EA, he would then argue (can't wait for the reponses to this one!) that his games are better that other publishers. He could say for example "fifa 2005 is better than pes4" and why could he say this? because that is his job. The guy in the shop simply takes the cash. If someone says to him should I buy fifa or pes he can advise them, use his expertise but that is the limit.

Not different at all. One person is passionate about his company, the other is passionate about games; both want to spread the love. He uses his position as a games shop type worker to inform people about something he deeply cares about. People who have no interest shouldn't throw it back in his face when they're so uninformed about it.

And it should be noted that he didn't advise them if they didn't ask for it. That's much better than what you get when you call GAME. "GAME, where GTA SA is out on October 29th and you can preorder it now and get double reward points, a free alarm clock, a bag of crisps..." three hours later "...and DA's mobile phone (), Ron speaking, how can I help?" I don't want to preorder GTA SA! Stop talking!

no but if someone walks up to buy that game, he should take there cash, feel smug if he wants to that he knows better but nothing else. I would sugest if he loves games that much to try a different job, set up a specialist shop himself, get a job at a publisher but work in a games shop - there are so few people like him, you, us that is realisty and no one can influence people that much.

I accept the realities that we are the last in what is possibly a dying breed (I hope not, mind!), and all of those are valid suggestions. Like I said, his reaction was hardly the right one but equally I do appreciate why he got angry (on the Yoshi's Island point only, mind).

[hankwangford]

I don't think you realise how excellent that game sounds ;p

Hmm... bad example!

[bangaio]

ok look i am bored at work, i dont want to get into a multi quote slanging match, simply if you think a person in charge of obtaining maximum value for his share holders and a till boy (no offence) are the same you need some real world experience. The chief exec, md whatever of anywhere is - generally - interested in only two things. Maximising the said value and getting as much reward for that as possible. If that means pimping substandard products (of any sort) to an un educated public then so be it (as long as they can get away with it, some do some dont). The case here is not to confuse a huge slice of the public with a minority group, always has been really. I have no idea what the demographic of this place is, however it seems to fit into the teenage lad off to uni group which will always generally be the largest slice of so called gamers. Now i am sure people will correct me here but i think that is the case.

[hankwangford]

Sorry, I didn't think we were getting into a slanging match :/ Just a discussion. But again, I say:

"One person is passionate about his company, the other is passionate about games; both want to spread the love." - for their own different perogatives, YES, but the message will always remain the same.

[bangaio]

I see what you are saying but it just isnt logical. To us, people who play games it just doesnt stack up. You said if he had a stake in oven chips he'd extol their virtues, but of course he would, he'd have something to gain, financially as he would expect a return. His return for working in a games shop is a wage, this is the problem with heading to work in something you love, it shatters that illusion of something sacred and special, you realise it is actually just a real business out to make money. What do we as gamers have to loose, well potentially if every game ever was rubbish, quite a lot but really, it has never been better, there are more good games released every year that no ne can play them all, cheaper in real terms, there is something for everyone. Now if this evil busines reality started to mean there were no good games then it is ok i guess to get angry with those destroying this but really, there is no evidence.

[hankwangford]

Nono, I agree. But maybe he feels differently; he wants to make a difference to the lives of non-gamers as futile a challenge as that is. But it all depends about how you feel towards your job I guess - if I worked in a games shop or in the industry I'd want to do everything I could to extol the virtue of games because I'd want people to love them as much as I do and see their real merits.

Of course, the wage helps :P and I *TOTALLY* agree with you about it shattering the illusion. It's why I have an internal conflict about starting a game store and getting all Act of Gord like and bitter and twisted or staying in a job where I don't really have much interest about the product.

[smouty]

Nono, I agree. But maybe he feels differently; he wants to make a difference to the lives of non-gamers as futile a challenge as that is.

I can just imagine a preist, who after preaching his sermon asking if you are converted and when you say no he says' Well f**k you then and doesn't speak to anyone else because you've dissed his beliefs.

Can you not see how Kaladron enforced the woman customers view of gamers as, I quote "maladjusted citizens who are unable to relate to anyone else and become reclusive zombies".

And that m'lud is my closing statement.

[Nimmel]

Can you not see how Kaladron enforced the woman customers view of gamers as, I quote "maladjusted citizens who are unable to relate to anyone else and become reclusive zombies".

And that m'lud is my closing statement.

Game, set and match.

[hankwangford]

Game, set and match? What, exactly, was I playing? o_O

How many times have I said he handled it badly? I can see why he is ANGRY, not why he DID IT.

[D J Kix]

If it's good enough for Gordon Ramsey, it's good enough for Kaladron (sorry to bring back the food analogy )

[smouty]

What, exactly, was I playing?

You should have taken the blue pill.

[hankwangford]

You should have taken the blue pill.

More like the pill that said E on it.

[Lyris]

I'd like to know how many gamers on this forum class themselves as "hardcore"... if there's any more like me then there might not be as many as a lot of us think. I wouldn't call myself a casual gamer either because I don't feel like I fit into any of the stereotypes of 'em.

To give me a better idea of this, can people here tell me their definitions of hardcore and casual gamers? I have the feeling I don't fit into either of 'em.

[MikeRox]

I'm the same m8, I jus want to have fun gaming, I don't particularly care what genre/format/developer/publisher etc the game is, I jus want to have fun playing it.

And personally, I don't want a member of games staff giving me advice when I havn't asked for it, I feel the same about staff in all areas of retail though, if I ask for advice, thats when I want it, then and only then. Unfortunately the commision based aspect of working for some stores makes this nice unintruded shopping experience very difficult.