Mass Effect 3 fan files complaint over the game's ending

[S3M]

Out of interest, would people prefer a half length campaign with the option of it being good or bad or keep it like it is?

Good, Natural and Bad if you ask me but you want smart choices, not just save the world or kill everyone.

So you want a few greater good style choices and hidden agenda ones.

[nakamura]

For sure but if that happens you are more likely to have a much shorter game but with more replay value perhaps.

[sj33]

by the way, anyone here who already has seen the ending and know what we talk of? no spoilers please, but i would really like to hear that the ending is satisfactory and making perfect sense. i have no such hope though after seeing the Angry Joe review. all i hope is that playing through to the end is still worthwhile.

It's a fantastic game and worth playing through until completion. I'm still left gagging for more and will buy the DLC.

But the ending is so arbitrary and disconnected, and riddled with holes. There's just no avoiding that. It's not that it's a bad ending so much that it's so arbitrary and makes you feel like everything you did was a waste of time. The gaping plotholes are what really bother me more than anything.

Despite that, you should definately play it to completion - everything up until the last 10 minutes is pure class.

[ETC]

I just read the endings that sounds like pure **** pleased I didn't bother but I was planning on picking it up way later as I liked 2 but that is pretty weak indeed

[sj33]

If anyone is curious what all the fuss is about, this video does an excellent job of explaining it. MAJOR SPOILERS though.

The lawsuit is still completely barmy, however.

[rmoxon]

People really don't get what these games have been about.

[Garny]

I didnt like the endings, but maybe the whole point is that what you do is pointless/hopeless. Still if thats what they were going for they should have done a better job of it.

[sj33]

^I find it hard to believe that it would be the point though. I mean, why make an ending that flies in the face of/contradicts the entire series aside from the last 10 minutes?

Little things, like

->Open Spoiler<-

the god child saying the reapers were created because the "creator is always destroyed by the created" - in this case, organics were destined to be destroyed by the synthetics. So they created the reapers (who are synthetic) to destroy all organics, this preventing them from being destroyed by the synthetics (except the reapers, apparently!). And yet...just a single mission before, Shepard proves this wrong by suceeding in uniting the Quarians and the Geth (the synthetics created by the Quarians who then rebelled against them). This proves that organics are not necessarily destined to be destroyed by synthetics, that was pretty much the entire point of that chapter of the story. Shepard's own experience disproves the little god child's theory... and yet Shepard just passively accepts this rather than contradicting him by citing his own experience mere hours before?!

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[rmoxon]

^I find it hard to believe that it would be the point though. I mean, why make an ending that flies in the face of/contradicts the entire series aside from the last 10 minutes?

Little things, like

->Open Spoiler<-

the god child saying the reapers were created because the "creator is always destroyed by the created" - in this case, organics were destined to be destroyed by the synthetics. So they created the reapers (who are synthetic) to destroy all organics, this preventing them from being destroyed by the synthetics (except the reapers, apparently!). And yet...just a single mission before, Shepard proves this wrong by suceeding in uniting the Quarians and the Geth (the synthetics created by the Quarians who then rebelled against them). This proves that organics are not necessarily destined to be destroyed by synthetics, that was pretty much the entire point of that chapter of the story. Shepard's own experience disproves the little god child's theory... and yet Shepard just passively accepts this rather than contradicting him by citing his own experience mere hours before?!

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Thing is, it doesnt contradict the entire series... I mean, seriously, have you even played these games? (thats a rhetorical question btw)... the world they are in has been constantly ravaged by war for centuries to no end and is utterly messed up.

The whole point of it is that its pointless, the whole tone of all the games has been that the choices you make may effect right now, but ultimatley mean nothing.

The ending is perfect.

It has to be said though, my ending was a bit different from yours, becuse I did some things differently along the way. Your spoilered stuff simply didnt happen in my game.

Its no wonder people have differing opinions on the ending actually if we are all gettings different ones

Although that does make me wonder why some people are saying THE ending is bad, when the ending depends on how you get there. maybe it was just your ending that was bad, people dont seem to seem realising that though.

[sj33]

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree, because I read the series completely differently!

The point, especially with the third game, is that despite these worlds being ravaged by war, they were able to unite and grasp the future. The Turians and Krogans were able to unite. The Salarians and Krogans were able to unite. The Quarians and Geth were able to unite. You are able to unite all of these races, races that seem destined to destroy each other. Shepard proves this wrong by uniting them. The Quarians and Geth even discuss sharing their homeworld. They were able to break the endless cycle of destruction. The point of the series is that things were not pointless!

[rmoxon]

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree, because I read the series completely differently!

The point, especially with the third game, is that despite these worlds being ravaged by war, they were able to unite and grasp the future. The Turians and Krogans were able to unite. The Salarians and Turians were able to unite. The Quarians and Geth were able to unite. You are able to unite all of these races, races that seem destined to destroy each other. Shepard proves this wrong by uniting them. The Quarians and Geth even discuss sharing their homeworld. They were able to break the endless cycle of destruction. The point of the series is that things were not pointless!

No its not.

The point of the series is that things are inevitably going to be messed up, things probabaly arent going to get better, but why not have hope. Its bittersweet, its basiclaly saying dont give up becuase even though your life is **** at least you still have one.

[rmoxon]

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree, because I read the series completely differently!

The point, especially with the third game, is that despite these worlds being ravaged by war, they were able to unite and grasp the future. The Turians and Krogans were able to unite. The Salarians and Turians were able to unite. The Quarians and Geth were able to unite. You are able to unite all of these races, races that seem destined to destroy each other. Shepard proves this wrong by uniting them. The Quarians and Geth even discuss sharing their homeworld. They were able to break the endless cycle of destruction. The point of the series is that things were not pointless!

No its not.

The point of the series is that things are inevitably going to be messed up, things probabaly arent going to get better, but why not have hope. Its bittersweet, its basiclaly saying dont give up becuase even though your life is **** at least you still have one.

Really though, the Mass Effect games are about the characters, characters that are alive will go on living long after you have put the controler down, to giuve some kind of neat closure to the series would not do those characters justice.

[rmoxon]

oops, sorry, double post.

Whatever Data Dave has must be catching

[sj33]

That doesn't make much sense though. How can it be saying that everything is 'pointless' and 'inevitably going to be messed up' on the one hand, and yet be saying 'don't give up' on the other?

[rmoxon]

That doesn't make much sense though. How can it be saying that everything is 'pointless' and 'inevitably going to be messed up' on the one hand, and yet be saying 'don't give up' on the other?

Becuase thats the whole point of the game, thats why you can be both a renagade and a Paragon in the same playthrough, thats why you can choose to kill an innocent guy in one mission and save one in the next. Nothing is black and white in the Mass Effect world, it just goes on in its own messed up way.

Its a pretty dark series of games really, but its also quite grounded into reality, becuase thats what life is like, there are no happy endings, but theres no complete sadness either... we just plod along and make the most of what we have.