Nintendo Switch: Thread 10

[Nu-Eclipse]

Sony get absolutely eviscerated for their 1st party 60-70 titles that have absolute huge amounts of polish and effort (but still get labelled a rip off), but some s**t house MK game at 70 gets a pass? Jesus.

I don't think MK1 itself is the problem - the game itself has been very well received for the most part, unless I'm mistaken?

The issue is that the Switch version doesn't look great in comparison to the PS5 and Xbollox versions...and, well...why would it look as good??

[Neon Ignition]

The video doing the round of the character moving from the foreground to the background via a glitch, if you ignore the glitch itself, seems to suggest the game typically looks fine. I like that the Switch Johnny Cage looks like Elon Musk, $70 to punch him in the face seems fair

[Asura]

If they bought the Switch and expect PS5 graphics, that’s on them and, yes, I do think they need some level of awareness of what it takes to get it playable on their system of choice.

I don't believe the customer was expecting "PS5 graphics" (nor did I say it's reasonable for them to expect it to be identical). But I do think they expect it to not look ****.

Back in the days when the Wii was doing the rounds while the PS360 era was ongoing, there were many games which appeared on both Wii and PS360. However, in most cases, these weren't ports; take The Force Unleashed or Sonic Unleashed, those developers understood that if you're supporting a much weaker platform, often you need to make a different game with the same characteristics in order to get a good result.

Even in recent times; the Quest version of Iron Man VR completely reworked all of the character art to make the characters more stylised in appearance, because the PS4 version's skin shaders and detailed eye material shaders wouldn't work on the Quest. The end result is fantastic (some would argue better than the original) even though it is technically worse.

The Switch is plenty powerful for a great-looking, great-playing Mortal Kombat game. But if customers are paying the same price as a PS5 game, they expect something of similar quality, and if the publisher wants to sell games on the Switch, they should fully support the Switch, and if they don't, they deserve to be ripped a new one.

If people don't, this is how everything goes digital, physical games become a code-in-a-box, games have shonky framerates and other unacceptable practices. People can and should be discerning.

[Nu-Eclipse]

If people don't, this is how everything goes digital, physical games become a code-in-a-box

Your argument was fair until this at the end.

Sorry, devs cheapening out and pulling crap like part-physical/part-download or code-in-a-box is on them and only them. It is a wilful choice that THEY are making.

It definitely isn't the consumer's fault. It just isn't.

[dataDave]

Aren’t over 70% of Sony’s sales digital these days? It seems to be going all digital if we like it or not.

[briareos_kerensky]

With MS ditching physical media in their XBO refresh, Sony allegedly going for an optional drive in their PS5 slim (or whatever that is), I suspect we're seeing the dying gasps of physical media for videogames. I wouldn't be surprisef if the Switch 2 will be the last Nintendo console with physical media support.
I only hope that everyone will use standard SSDs, SD cards, or whatever as storage.

[nonny]

With MS ditching physical media in their XBO refresh, Sony allegedly going for an optional drive in their PS5 slim (or whatever that is), I suspect we're seeing the dying gasps of physical media for videogames. I wouldn't be surprisef if the Switch 2 will be the last Nintendo console with physical media support.
I only hope that everyone will use standard SSDs, SD cards, or whatever as storage.

I think this is finally viable as well given we're seeing nvme 2230 size drives plummet in price right now. A 1TB drive was £180 at the beginning of the year but now decent gen4 models can be grabbed at £80 or less.

Any handheld needing fast storage will most likely aim for that unless they need it to be swappable. Really all that needs though is those wee removeable bays like are on surface pros these days.

It's no surprise Steam Deck, ROG Ally etc are all using this form factor.

Nintendo supporting SD Cards is hopefully an indicator they'll play ball with standard media in the future

[fishbowlhead]

I know have all 4 Pikmin games on 1 console, boxed physical versions, in order on the shelf.

Ahhhhh that sweet sweet serotonin.

[JU!]

With MS ditching physical media in their XBO refresh, Sony allegedly going for an optional drive in their PS5 slim (or whatever that is), I suspect we're seeing the dying gasps of physical media for videogames. I wouldn't be surprisef if the Switch 2 will be the last Nintendo console with physical media support.
I only hope that everyone will use standard SSDs, SD cards, or whatever as storage.

I would think it will be everything going Digital nowadays. Storage at least 1TB anyway is not too expensive to implement.

[112]

Bit late to the discussion of Mortal Kombat 1 versions on the PS5 / XBS and Switch. But I remember the time when the original Mortal Kombat game was ported from the arcade to the Mega Drive and SNES. The comparison between the two consoles were dramatically different. I would say it’s kind of the same discussion, just 30+ years on.

Back then, we didn’t have the technology or the means to scrutinise every detail on a frame by frame basis, like what is being done on most games these days.

I don’t think that the general public are under massive illusions that the Switch can do what the PS5 and XBox can do. If they do, think the that the switch is on par with the other consoles, then that are clearly not gamers and only have a passing interest in the genre.

On the matter of pricing, well, this is the age old conversation that pops up all the time. I still remember the price of cartridge games being a similar ish price back in the day during the release period of games. If anything the fact that new highly marketed AAA games are not closer to the £100 mark, on release, is a good sign. This hobby of ours is not a cheap business to develop for, as we all know, the more technical and fancy it gets going forward - and I am not sure I like the thought of it potentially pricing people out of a good home gaming experience.

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[Nu-Eclipse]

Bit late to the discussion of Mortal Kombat 1 versions on the PS5 / XBS and Switch. But I remember the time when the original Mortal Kombat game was ported from the arcade to the Mega Drive and SNES. The comparison between the two consoles were dramatically different. I would say it’s kind of the same discussion, just 30+ years on.

The SNES and MD didn't have technical issues running their respective ports of the original Mortal Kombat. The discussion back then was about the content (SNES port censored, MD uncensored via a cheat code) so it isn't the same discussion at all.

[kryss]

I know have all 4 Pikmin games on 1 console, boxed physical versions, in order on the shelf.

Ahhhhh that sweet sweet serotonin.

I just started playing 3 again today!

[fishbowlhead]

I just started playing 3 again today!

3 is such a well rounded game.

[Asura]

Bit late to the discussion of Mortal Kombat 1 versions on the PS5 / XBS and Switch. But I remember the time when the original Mortal Kombat game was ported from the arcade to the Mega Drive and SNES. The comparison between the two consoles were dramatically different. I would say it’s kind of the same discussion, just 30+ years on.

Back then, we didn’t have the technology or the means to scrutinise every detail on a frame by frame basis, like what is being done on most games these days.

Sorry, but I don't think this is the same situation at all. If you want a comparison like this, you can take home versions of Mortal Kombat 2 and Doom, but include the Sega Saturn version of each - which were infamously borked, but sold on a newer console, and thus were expensive. They were lambasted in the press and sold badly, rightly so, because they were easily the worst version of both games. No pixel-hunting analysis necessary.

[Dogg Thang]

And yet having Doom on the Saturn back in the day was better than no Doom at all and was playable. It didn't fare well compared with other versions obviously but, if a Saturn was all you had, it was a way to play it. And as you say, it cost just as much. I didn't expect games to be cheaper on the Saturn and I don't see why Switch owners would expect that. Considering recent Nintendo systems, I feel like the third party output is a bit of a gift. It's not one you have to accept or pay for but, to me, it's better than the alternative.