Star Wars Episode 7

[MartyG]

He was blown to safety, the way people are in real life.

In real life, people don't fire lightning bolts from their hands

[Dogg Thang]

The Emperor could do nothing but waggle his arms around while a huge hulking beaten man just picked him up and chucked him down an explosive hole that was there for some weird reason. Could it happen that he saved himself from that giant much-quicker explosion? Sure. But it would kind of silly and would render RotJ pretty pointless.

Whatever about the cartoons, EU and even the prequels, the force users we see in 4-6 really don't be able to do a whole lot with that power. They aren't space ninjas, that's for sure.

The fridge theory I can go with.

[fishbowlhead]

He turned off his computer (they said the shot was almost impossible even with the computer) so obviously he used the Force.

Two things regarding Luke's importance after that:

1) It was Luke who used the Force on Endor to convince the Ewoks that 3PO was a "god", Without Luke's trick the Ewoks would have barbecued them and the attack on the shield generator would have failed meaning the Rebel Fleet would have been destroyed.

2) If Luke hadn't killed the Emperor and redeemed Vader, they could have both escaped Death Star to just regroup the Imperial forces. Remember that Luke had time to escape the Death Star so Emperor would have had time to flee too.



Useless and weak? Did you see The Return of the Jedi? Luke single-handedly defeated Darth Vader, one of the most powerful Sith of all time.

Well Vader/Anakin was defeated by Obi one quite thoroughly, I'd certainly call being cleaved in half a defeat anyway, Anakin or as vader would of been easily been defeated by Windu or yoda as well, Windu easily bested palpatine and was only surprised by Anakin due to the dark side clouding Anakins betrayal, which seems quite a disadvantage for the Jedis but anyway.

Also, to hunt the remaining jedis down Vader had the entire empire at his disposal, so had advantage any time he faced anyone.

I think he would of been defeated in a straight up one on one with a Jedi master, as obi one demonstrated by simply making him angry and loose focus.

[MartyG]

The Emperor could do nothing but waggle his arms around while a huge hulking beaten man just picked him up and chucked him down an explosive hole that was there for some weird reason. Could it happen that he saved himself from that giant much-quicker explosion? Sure. But it would kind of silly and would render RotJ pretty pointless.

The implication is that The Emperor dies in RotJ, I was just playing really, but who knows what Disney is going to do. As mentioned above, a clone Palpatine returns and turns Luke to the dark side for a while in the expanded universe.

[Dogg Thang]

Yep. You've got me thinking about that RotJ ending now though and really the best person to take out the Emperor seems to be wrestler. The Rock could have taken him down with no problem. Hulk Hogan even.

[Asura]

I thought Vader was an average sith compared to those before him?

I consider him quite powerful - but then again I like to think that the powers we see in the 6 movies are the extent of Jedi abilities. I hated the books by people like Kevin J Anderson where the Jedi are more like the X-Men.

[wakka]

I loved the fact that in the original films the Force was a mysterious power that was rarely seen. Lightsabre battles were similarly few and far between - you'd have two hours of build up just to get one.

Then in the prequels you had literally ARMIES of people, some of them wielding multiple lightsabres, running at each other and total Force-based carnage. It totally ruined the mystique and appeal. And that's before you even get to the silly midichlorian stuff.

I hope Abrams uses the former approach.

Some nice analysis in this thread chaps, I've enjoyed reading.

[Guts]

I loved the fact that in the original films the Force was a mysterious power that was rarely seen. Lightsabre battles were similarly few and far between - you'd have two hours of build up just to get one.

This. it wouldn't even make sense for Episode VII to have numerous Jedi/Sith running around as most of them were gone after Return of the Jedi, there's Luke left of the Jedi "Order" and that's about it, maybe a few living on remote worlds in hiding.

There'll probably be Luke's apprentice or two and an explanation for some Dark Side users to be there (it's called Force Awakens after all), but I hope that's it.

[Neon Ignition]

It's arguable that Luke fluked the Death Star shot. Assuming that only George Lucas made SW content is canon now, a normal pilot makes the same shot... in Star Tours

[Dogg Thang]

That's exactly it. The Rebellion thought that a normal pilot could make that shot. The mission depended on it. They weren't pinning all their hopes on the crazy farm boy who thought he might one day learn magic.

Oh, and I agree with you guys and the Jedi/force. I hope it gets more mysterious again. Used sparingly.

[Guts]

That's exactly it. The Rebellion thought that a normal pilot could make that shot. The mission depended on it. They weren't pinning all their hopes on the crazy farm boy who thought he might one day learn magic.

Sure it was possible for a normal pilot to blow up the Death Star with the computer, but it was a very hard shot as Red Leader (or Gold Leader?) proves by missing his shot. It was basically a really desperate suicide attack by the Rebellion and the chances of victory were pretty much zero even with Luke (and The Force) on board, but the Force was ultimately the reason the Rebellion won.

[Dogg Thang]

It wasn't presented that way in the movie at all. It was nothing remotely like a suicide attack. It was a clear, thought-out mission based on the schematics. Hard shot, sure. Lots of things are hard (like bullseyeing womp rats) and yet they're done all the time. As Superman Falls says, we can't discount the possibility that Luke fluked the shot.

Edit: In fact, it's likely that Luke hears voices and sees ghosts because he is battling schizophrenia.

[Dogg Thang]

The characters have names. I love how they revealed them: http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/12/1...aracter-names/

Interestingly, the + lightsaber guy isn't a Darth anything.

[Neil]

HOW COULD I HAVE FORGOTTEN THOSE CARDS?

Very cool

[CMcK]

The characters have names. I love how they revealed them: http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/12/1...aracter-names/

Thats a nice bit of fan service. And it's amusing how quickly the comments section at the end of the article deteriorated!