Liverpool 2010/11 Season Thread

[Super Grover]

Liverpool look like a dispirited team

Say what?

Opta stats say you are talking out of your arse mate.

LFC Manure
Corners 7 2
Crosses 26 18
Saves 1 8
Blocks 2 2
Clearances 19 44
Off-side 0 1
Tackles 23 29
Passes 459 420

The only positive I can take from your footballing insight/nonsense (delete as applicable) is, if we are dispirited, I can't wait to see when we are playing with our tails up.

[rmoxon]

Say what?

Opta stats say you are talking out of your arse mate.

LFC Manure
Corners 7 2
Crosses 26 18
Saves 1 8
Blocks 2 2
Clearances 19 44
Off-side 0 1
Tackles 23 29
Passes 459 420

The only positive I can take from your footballing insight/nonsense (delete as applicable) is, if we are dispirited, I can't wait to see when we are playing with our tails up.

if you had any footballing insight yourself you'd know stats don't tell the whole story. Liverpool are currently a team who look like they want to impress but don't know how to win. There's nothing more dispiriting than not achieving what you think you should be.

[hudson]

We'll come good. You keep spoutin' that ****e in the meantime though, to keep me entertained.

[rmoxon]

We'll come good. You keep spoutin' that ****e in the meantime though, to keep me entertained.

Ok.

By the "meantime" I guess you mean the next ten years.

So ok.

Probabaly help if you had owners who knew about football and apointed someone who was good for the job instead of just someone whos done well with a completely different team.

Worst thing about the whole thing is this will damage Rodgers career really as when he has a team who can play like he wants its a very entertaining sight. Liverpool will still be in the premier league next year (probably) with a new manager, probably after finishing below Swansea this season. Money Talks I guess, it talks people into potential career suicide anyway. Although the Wales job will probabaly be avaliable by then too.

I hope you lot beat Norwich just for his sake really (I mean really, who would wish managing Wales on anyone?). But I still wouldn't put money on a win happening, Norwich are a decent home side, they gained nearly all their points at home last season and it will happen in this one too no doubt.

[hudson]

Rodgers has told the owners that a rebuild is needed. It will take time. Both Rodgers and the owners know that it won't happen over night (this season, and probably over the next season too). The owners and the fans will give him time, providing we see positive things happening on the pitch, and so far, I think we are.

He's got to be given the time and I think he will. Dalglish was never my ideal choice, he agreed to come in and kind of hold the fort, which he did, making way for someone fresh with new ideas, plans for the youth, the future, a broad plan. All I can do as a fan, is support it.

Next waffle. please...

[nakamura]

Dispirited and ability to win are very different. The fact you have admitted they are trying to impress certainly shows they have spirit.

It is like you are chasing your own internet tail moxon.

[rmoxon]

Rodgers has told the owners that a rebuild is needed. It will take time. Both Rodgers and the owners know that it won't happen over night (this season, and probably over the next season too). The owners and the fans will give him time, providing we see positive things happening on the pitch, and so far, I think we are.

He's got to be given the time and I think he will. Dalglish was never my ideal choice, he agreed to come in and kind of hold the fort, which he did, making way for someone fresh with new ideas, plans for the youth, the future, a broad plan. All I can do as a fan, is support it.

Next waffle. please...

By giving him time to build a new team, I imagine they still expect him to do ok in the meantime.

I don't understand why as a fan you are happy with what you are seeing. Liverpool are not showing signs of progression, on the whole they are playing the same way they played for many games last season, where they have plenty of the ball, spend lots of time in the opposing teams half, but can't win games. Nothing has changed in that respect yet and if anything the sign are worse this year, because in the league they seem to be scoring even less goals.

They drew far too many games last season, particularly at home, and the start of this season suggests the same will be true again, if not worse, as I fully believe that last season they would have managed a draw against united even when 2-1 down, which is why they look dispirited to me, they don't have it in them to claw out results. If Swarez or Gerrard get injured for a long period of time then I imagine their motivation will shrink further still, that's actually the teams biggest worry right now, they only have 2 important players, that they need on the pitchfork win games, and if either of them are out then they will suffer further still, especially true in Swarez case as he's the only known striker they currently have.

Im not saying this just to argue with you or put your team down, I'm simply pointing out that Rodgers doesn't have the players to play the football he wants too. Like you say he needs to build a squad, and like I said I don't think he will get the time to do it as the owners will still want some sort of results now... The team can't go without winning league games for two years until he gets new players in. If he can make it to January (which might even be a struggle unless he can actually win a few games before then) then he needs to bring in more players, quite a few more. Ones that like to keep the ball and play less direct, because that's how he wants his team to play, unfortunately it's not somthing he's ever going to be able to teach his best players, as its not the type of football that people like Gerrard and Swarez like to play, so he needs to fill the team with people who will play like he wants them too.

[hudson]

It may have something to do with the mess that was the transfer window and striker situation. I am happening with my team. I support them through thick and thin, you've read my opinion. I think we will get better the more time we play in the new system in the new regime. I've seen promising signs. We just need to start scoring more.

Yes the table doesn't look pretty, but performances against Man City, Man U were very promising. Just frustrating we threw one game away (through a silly mistake) and didn't kill the other. I reckon if Shelvey hadn't got himself sent off, you wouldn't be posting in here on your high horse.

Let's do it, c'mon!

[rmoxon]

It may have something to do with the mess that was the transfer window and striker situation. I am happening with my team. I support them through thick and thin, you've read my opinion. I think we will get better the more time we play in the new system in the new regime. I've seen promising signs. We just need to start scoring more.

Yes the table doesn't look pretty, but performances against Man City, Man U were very promising. Just frustrating we threw one game away (through a silly mistake) and didn't kill the other. I reckon if Shelvey hadn't got himself sent off, you wouldn't be posting in here on your high horse.

Let's do it, c'mon!

Im not on a high horse, as a united fan the result was pleasing, but as a fan of English football I don't like to see any manager in the wrong job really. However if you are correct and he does turn things around this season and the team do well then I will rush in here and be happy to say I was proven wrong, as he's a manager I would like to see do well.

I enjoyed watching Swansea a lot last season, if he can make Liverpool into a team like that, then it's only a good thing for English football. They really do need a complete overhaul though, I just find it hard to believe that in this day and age he will get the time to bring in so many players for the changes to fully take effect.

[hudson]

I believe he will be given time. Only divvy fans will expect quick results from a mass change of players (mostly new young player), a new manager, a new tactical system etc. I think this is what was needed. I felt the regimes before were stale and unexciting. We have to take a risk now, and the risk is stick with this new regime, believe in the manager, the players he brings in and to stick with it. It's currently far from where Rogers wants to team to be, but I'm sure the owners will grant him the time.

[nakamura]

If any club generally gives the manager time, it's Liverpool.

[Adrock]

If you actually watch the Liverpool matches, rmoxon, from all of the season so far you will have seen there has been progress already in the short time. The manager was brought in by the owners to do a specific job and they targeted a young manager exactly for that reason.

I hope they stick with him regardless of this season because they have said they will. I think all Liverpool fans, pretty much, accept this season to be one where the club will be building. If you also take time out to watch the recent interview he had with the fans you'll see his system currently doesn't fit with the squad he has at his disposal, so he has changed his system slightly and that means he is working with the squad he has.

The style of play is different to the Dalglish team, which again if you'd watched a lot of matches you'd realise. The real challenge for Rodgers is to carry on working within his system and amassing a squad that can do that but at the same time he must ensure he is buying a higher calibre of player compared with what he has bought in the past, because the ambition is to be challenging for the Champions League places.

Now, if you were watching all of the games you'd realise there has been progress and there have been encouraging signs. To go from saying they were dispirited to a team who dont know how to win but try within a matter of a few posts shows you're basing your opinion on a limited experience of the club and thusly I think I'll carry on ignoring your posts again rmoxon.

[rmoxon]

If you actually watch the Liverpool matches, rmoxon, from all of the season so far you will have seen there has been progress already in the short time. The manager was brought in by the owners to do a specific job and they targeted a young manager exactly for that reason.

I hope they stick with him regardless of this season because they have said they will. I think all Liverpool fans, pretty much, accept this season to be one where the club will be building. If you also take time out to watch the recent interview he had with the fans you'll see his system currently doesn't fit with the squad he has at his disposal, so he has changed his system slightly and that means he is working with the squad he has.

The style of play is different to the Dalglish team, which again if you'd watched a lot of matches you'd realise. The real challenge for Rodgers is to carry on working within his system and amassing a squad that can do that but at the same time he must ensure he is buying a higher calibre of player compared with what he has bought in the past, because the ambition is to be challenging for the Champions League places.

Now, if you were watching all of the games you'd realise there has been progress and there have been encouraging signs. To go from saying they were dispirited to a team who dont know how to win but try within a matter of a few posts shows you're basing your opinion on a limited experience of the club and thusly I think I'll carry on ignoring your posts again rmoxon.

It seems like you've been ignoring my recent posts anyway, becuase you're telling me half of the things I've already said in this thread. I know Rodgers has them playing differently to Dalgliesh. I have said this multiple times now. However I don't think this play style suits the players he has. Currently the teams most influential players are Gerrard and Swarez, two players who play in a very direct manner,I have doubts that they can adapt well to the way Rodgers wants to play considering they haven't played this style of football throughout their careers.

i have seen quite a bit of Liverpool this season, I know how they have been playing. When I said they are playing like last season,Ididnt mean the style, I meant their games are panning out the same way as they did last season, in that they are not winning games that they should have.

Great teams, which Imagine Liverpool aspire to be, will annihilate teams when they have the better of them, and when playing badly in other games still grind out results. Liverpool are not currently a team that can seem to do either of those things. They are currently a potentially good team that can only manage average results.

On the positive side they have had a relatively tough opening few games, so things shouldn't get much worse.

[Kit]

6 days time (away to Norwich) .

ole!!

[Kit]

Looked good in the first half and had most of the possession again, but another defensive lapse cost liverpool. Whenever the ball is played back and the defense try to pass their way out of trouble I get worried.