Premier League 2010/11 general thread

[Jebus]

Wouldn't matter, he gets away with murder anyway, right Hoolak?

[nakamura]

Personally I don't hold anything against Liverpool and Torres. They took a chance and got lucky. The ref is a joke and should have seen what was going on. It was clear by the body language of the kicker that the FK wasn't taken.

[prinnysquad]

Turner was obviously just backheeling it for Minger to take the freekick ... he even turns around ready for the kick. I suppose there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the goal by the letter of the law, but it's rank bad sportsmanship, and gutless **** from that piss stain of a referee. It's the type of typical of kick to another player to take the free kick that happens a dozen times during a game. I'm sure if the ref had called play back, the Liverpool players would have grumbled a bit, but basically laughed it off as a cheeky manipulation of the football conventions of nowadays. Instead they looked like they'd got away with a diamond theft under the Chief Superintendent's nose.

A bit of a lapse from our lads - Liverpool are a bunch of desperados who'll take anything at the minute, and I'm sure Granny Hodgson and Fat Mag will have a good laugh over it while troughing gallons of wine tonight.

I'm more concerned by the fact that there's been two farces in as many weeks.

[thetrooper]

[quote=prinnysquad;1756223]Turner was obviously just backheeling it for Minger to take the freekick ... he even turns around ready for the kick. I suppose there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the goal by the letter of the law, but it's rank bad sportsmanship, and gutless **** from that piss stain of a referee. It's the type of typical of kick to another player to take the free kick that happens a dozen times during a game. I'm sure if the ref had called play back, the Liverpool players would have grumbled a bit, but basically laughed it off as a cheeky manipulation of the football conventions of nowadays. Instead they looked like they'd got away with a diamond theft under the Chief Superintendent's nose.

Something like the beachball incident from last season?

[prinnysquad]

Not comparable.

The beachball thing was a Liverpool fan throwing something onto the pitch.

This was a rubbishy affair where a player was backheeling it to where he thought the kick should be taken from, then it was latched upon. This 'kicking the ball to be taken elsewhere' thing happens every game.

Plus Gerrard should have gone.

I thought I was being quite fair about this, but obviously not.

[mr_sockochris]

It's totally comparable. You talk about Liverpool players having no honour, but where was Sunderland's last year with the beach ball goal? By the letter of the law that goal should not have stood but Sunderland happily took the goal and won 1-0 with it too. Today's goal was due to bad common sense by the referee. Is Turner taking the free kick? No. But I can see how it would at least appear that he is due to the way he stopped the ball with his foot then played it back towards to keeper, otherwise why would Torres chase it? Besides, I love how everyone seems to ignore the fact that shortly before this Torres had a perfectly good goal wrongly chalked off for offside, so if we want to complain about officials getting it wrong then I'll happily continue.

[prinnysquad]

It's not.

Sunderland last year played no part in that incident other than the shot. Today, Liverpool players actively created the build-up, very deliberately. They could see the free kick wasn't taken, yet cheekily dived in and got away with it. Last year, Sunderland's involvement was very passive up to the last second. Liverpool's today was very active.

The beach ball was a foreign object introduced to play by a fan. The goal today was down to very poor common sense of the rules. There was no freak object involved.

What would you have Sunderland do last year? They were barely aware of the beachball - very different to today's incident. Should they have pleaded with the ref not to let the goal stand? It's not like they deliberately aimed at the beachball. Today, Liverpool could have simply not attacked a ball that clearly wasn't 'in play'.

Put yourself in my shoes. Would you be happy if we did that during a Liverpool stoppage? Robbed an obviously un-taken freekick?
If I put myself in Liverpool's shoes last year; I would curse the beach ball as ludicrous and blame that arsehead fan.

For the record I'm not particularly bothered about Liverpool's players, it could have happened to anyone, and anyone could've done it. But I think there are many differences between the two incidences. I do think the goal shouldn't have stood, due to poor refereeing.

[nakamura]

It's not.

Sunderland last year played no part in that incident other than the shot. Today, Liverpool players actively created the build-up, very deliberately. They could see the free kick wasn't taken, yet cheekily dived in and got away with it. Last year, Sunderland's involvement was very passive up to the last second. Liverpool's today was very active.

This.

End of conversation.

(though personally I still don't blame Torres for trying)

[mr_sockochris]

^Yes I agree that Sunderland themselves didn't play a part in it, but the beach ball goal still shouldn't have stood. By the letter of the law, a goal from a foreign object should NOT stand so the referee got a law of the game completely wrong. Not a decision made on his own interpretation like 'was that a handball?' or 'was that a foul?' but a matter of fact. The beach ball goal was an illegal goal, today's technically wasn't.

Yes, I would be annoyed if had happened to us but I don't think Torres decision to chase it was quite as sinister as people think. Having just watched it again I really have to ask why is he even kicking it back to the keeper anyway? The ball is exactly where the foul was already, so with Turner kicking a stationary ball from the exact position of the foul it's understandable how a person (Torres, the ref, the linesman) could think that the free kick had been taken.

[prinnysquad]

I suppose if you look at the two incidents themselves, and don't try to compare, then it looks like this:

Sunderland's goal last year shouldn't have been allowed. The players knew very little about it. Yet the ref allowed it, possibly due to a lack of familiarity with the rules.

Liverpool's goal today was technically legal. The Liverpool players were opportunistic, Sunderland's were slovenly. The referee was at error for allowing an everyday incident turn into a cauldron of indecision, befuddlement and disbelief.

Players all the time kick a ball into a preferred kicking position for a freekick. Most of the time it's forward, but this time it was back, because Turner wanted the keeper to kick it. These incidents just never get thrown into the limelight like this, because opposition players rarely seize the ball in such a situation, and it's even more rare there's a goal resulting from it.

We'll just have to differ on this one fella.

On a different note, just watching the Arse highlights - what a super player Brunt has been this season! A revelation.

[mr_sockochris]

I'll agree with that I just believe that it's quite possible that Torres thought the freekick had been taken due to the way Turner stopped the ball where the foul was and kicked it back. We'll never know for sure unless he comes out and talks about it but like you say, its something that happens often in football and I've never seen him chase a dead ball before so I have to wonder if he thought the free kick had been (sloppily) taken and rushed onto it to beat the keeper to the ball....

[prinnysquad]

Probably. And it's up to the ref to notice what Turner was doing (as the lad turns his back on the ball and trudges forward) and say, no it wasn't taken, retake. Even Torres looks at the ref twice, not believing it seemingly!

Is this the same ref who allowed the ghost goal - Watford v Reading? Yes, confirmed!

[MonkeyJuggleDX]

Is this the same ref who allowed the ghost goal - Watford v Reading? Yes, confirmed!

Fancy a giggle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Attwell

How does he still have a job?

[abigsmurf]

Just watched the highlights. Gerrard should've been sent off. No doubt

[prinnysquad]

re Atwell - Yeah, a knob. MOTD just showed him not even watching the 'kick'.

Changed my mind on the Gerrard comment I gave earlier - not a sending off for me. Not a swing, but a leading arm from the leverege of the jump. Some people give these but I don't like them given.

Welbeck should have had a penalty though, and Torres' goal maybe should have counted; though from the naked eye and at full speed I thought it was offside so it's easy to see why the linesman called it.

lol just seen smurf's comment, it's disagreements all round tonight!