Premier League 2011/12 general thread

[toythatkills]

Looks like Santa-Cruz might be away from Man City to Sunderland. Remember him?

Man City must have so many players that the world has completely forgotten about their existence.

[abigsmurf]

Did Wright Phillips complete a ?2.5million move away from City yet?

Nothing against him personally but I do get some pleasure at his dad being made to look a blinkered fool after how much he slated Chelsea for not playing him enough.

[abigsmurf]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/aug/26/sir-alex-ferguson-manchester-united

Ferguson needs to stop with this persecution complex. He's been treated with kid gloves for decades and been on the receiving end of more than a few favourable decisions. With him throwing a tantrum after a reporter dared bring up Ryan Giggs in a press conferenced, he's really turning/turned into a bitter old man.

Ironic that this comes a day after he finally decides to fufil his obligations and do interviews with the BBC (for which he's never been punished for) and before yet another big Man U game being officiated by Howard Webb.

[Jebus]

Wenger has bid ?6 million for Gary Cahill.

What an arrogant fool. 6 million, after paying how much for that Saints lad?

There's talk of "add ons" but how does that help the selling club? We want a big fee (he's well worth it when you compare what other players go for) so we can reinvest, not some cheeky "addon" that gives us some more money in 6 months time,

[prinnysquad]

Haha. Arse must be loaded too.

Nice to see our season starting exactly the same way as January-May of the last. Bruce claimed a couple of weeks ago to know exactly who was playing where. Oh really? There's been chops and changes already, with an incredible NO recognised strikers on the field against Brighton. There's the old, old problem of left backs and left wingers that hasn't be resolved, with Bruce's fannying about letting Johnson and now Insomnia get away. Gyan has come back from pre-season looking like a fat, lazy, disinterested bag of chod. He must have raided Bruce's pie cupboard. Although, he must be pissed off after seeing 10 signings come through the door, yet not one of them is a proven centre forward for him to play with. Promising young guns is great, but Gyan has no-one to play alongside in the here and now. He's the lone man upfront AGAIN, despite the evidence of last season, after Bent left, that this doesn't work. We currently have one goal in three games. All those signings and there's still no balance whatsoever to the side.

Bruce has three realistic objectives this season:

Finish slightly higher in the league.
Do better in the cups.
Win a derby.

A week and a half into the new season and he's cockpissed up two of those already. Nice one. I can see us getting spunked by Swansea as well, with Chelsea up shortly. Already, it's difficult to see where the points will come from.

[Jebus]

Haha. Arse must be loaded too.

I think their fans deserve better than his clown-antics of the moment.

They all know they need a centre back, and he's playing silly buggers low-balling a club that don't really even want to sell their best defender.

[Adrock]

Cahill is in the final year or his contract. It used to be, until City started spending big, that the length of a player's contract helped determine their value. A player with 12 months left on their deal would be justifiably cheaper because the club can just wait and get the player for free in a years time.

Now, if Bolton aren't happy with the offer, taking it public to try and get more money is a cynical tactic. Coyle has been hawking him about all pre-season and the truth of the matter is, if no clubs are willing to match Bolton's valuation they have the choice to drop that asking price or hold onto him for one more season and lose him for nothing.

So, Bolton are basically hoping for a couple of clubs to get in a bidding war. If not that 6mil plus add ons will seem like good money come next Weds.

I dont think waiting until January is an option either. The price would be even less because his contract would be so short.

[prinnysquad]

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2011/05/24/bolton-owen-coyle-style-of-football/

lol, check out the table called 'Factor 4'.

[toythatkills]

Cahill is in the final year or his contract. It used to be, until City started spending big, that the length of a player's contract helped determine their value. A player with 12 months left on their deal would be justifiably cheaper because the club can just wait and get the player for free in a years time.

This. ?6m for a centre-back who's leaving on a free next summer would have been seen as a brilliant price before Man City started spending like morons.

[EJG1980]

We wouldn't get him if Arsenal are seriously interested, but I'd like to see Spurs make a late attempt for Cahill. You can't rely on King, Gallas seems to be prone to picking up niggles and knocks, Cahill would be an excellent addition to our defence.

[toythatkills]

He's better than Spurs, tbh

[Jebus]

This. ?6m for a centre-back who's leaving on a free next summer would have been seen as a brilliant price before Man City started spending like morons.

I'm glad you all know that he's definitely leaving in the summer for free. I mean, it's not like there would be a ****load of speculation about him leaving for a "big club" and then he ended up not leaving and signing a new contract, is there

Oh wait, thats exactly what happened last time with Cahill.

The bottom line is that we don't really want to sell him, and it'll take nearer 15-17 million to get him. We'd rather get another good season out of him with an entire year to sort his replacement, than lose him for peanuts. He's worth a great deal more than 6-7 million.

[toythatkills]

Realistically, he'll go for ?9-10m this summer, or nothing next summer. There's no way he's leaving for ?16m unless City start bidding. You're kidding yourself if you think he's gonna stay, even if it did happen before.

Getting another season out of him would be nice, but are Bolton financially stable enough that they can write off ten million quid?

[PaTaito]

This. ?6m for a centre-back who's leaving on a free next summer would have been seen as a brilliant price before Man City started spending like morons.

Actually aguero was 38 million and was a club record...blame chelsea for spending 50m for an out of form torres, and real madrid for spending so much over the odds that i dont care to comment.

City pay big wages yes, but as for transfer fee's i think they get too much stick.

Nasri sold for 23m with not much of a contract remaining, but he is top, top draw.

[toythatkills]

Scott Parker to Spurs, it seems.