Nintendo 3DS

['Press Start']

Can't really compare the two with the Wii-U. Nintendo's problem here is that they've not really moved with the times - again they're sacrificing power for innovation.

Yeah sorry I was mixing 2 different issues. I remember before the 3DS was announced Nintendo were saying the iPad/touch was not a serious gaming device and not a threat.

[Daragon]

Yeah sorry I was mixing 2 different issues. I remember before the 3DS was announced Nintendo were saying the iPad/touch was not a serious gaming device and not a threat.

Ah, well in that case Nintendo clearly don't know their market as well as they did. Portable gaming has been redefined thanks to the I-range of products. Now you can get games that wouldn't look out of place on a home console for a few pence. Nintendo can no longer justify their ?30-?40 price tags just because there's a 3D effect being used. I don't give a **** about it tbh. When I game, I want better visuals and gameplay - 3D is a gimmick.

It's like me using a toaster as an analogy. When I look for a new toaster, I want one that will toast my bread better, quicker or cheaper (or a combination of the three). I do not want a toaster that I can watch the TV on as well!

[Neon Ignition]

They could certainly do with reworking the logo so it looks distinct from the first machine. Certainly any talk that they'll be in Sega's position in the near future is ludicrous as is any discussion that the iPad/touch has any heavy relevance to the core gaming market. Nintendo's problems have stemmed from arrogance, the same arrogance that saw Sony lose its leading position, Sega lose there's etc. Whoever is at the top starts to buy their own success story and wades in pitched completely wrong as something cheaper and distinct comes in and steals the thunder. It's possible that the situation with the 3DS might actually prove to be hugely beneficial to the WiiU by the time it comes out.

[Dogg Thang]

@Daragon - But isn't the iPhone, iPad that toaster with a TV or is that your exact point? They're do-it-all devices.

Personally, I still think there is room for dedicated (ish) full-price gaming handhelds like the 3DS and, while there have been iOS games I've loved, few approach the level of depth of many full DS or PSP games, or even GB or GBA games, and physical controls can't be beaten.

[cutmymilk]

At this point I wouldnt mind Nintendo being multi platform. Mario Galaxy on my PS3? Wouldnt mind that at all!

[Daragon]

@Daragon - But isn't the iPhone, iPad that toaster with a TV or is that your exact point? They're do-it-all devices.

Personally, I still think there is room for dedicated (ish) full-price gaming handhelds like the 3DS and, while there have been iOS games I've loved, few approach the level of depth of many full DS or PSP games, or even GB or GBA games, and physical controls can't be beaten.

The I-products are do-it-all gadgets yes, but I would wager that people aren't buying them with gaming at the absolute forefront of their mind. Secondly, I used the toaster as an analogy because a toaster and a TV aren't things that people are looking for as a whole, combined product. The I-gadgets appeal broadly because they are capable of achieving a range of things that people want from a PDA for example or even a laptop.

If the 3DS didn't have 3D going for it, I wouldn't care as I suspect a lot of people wouldn't. I want better games from a graphics and gameplay perspective like I've said. The 3DS can deliver those, but the problem is it isn't at the current time which it probably should be doing.

[djtickle]

I dont get what was is so poor about the games out. Zelda, SSF4, Dead or Alive dimensions all great imo as well as loads of really cool upcoming stuff. This is moaning for the sake of it imo.

Agreed.

Even Pilot Wings, Ghost Recon, Resi and Ridge I find great too. I dont regret the purchase one bit, I love it and half of the time I dont play in 3D. (Comfort reasons) With the games that are coming, its all good for me. The only thing I can gripe at is the battery life.

[Papercut]

The idea that there is a shortage of good games seems crazy to me. That just isn't true...

Zelda: OOT
Starfox 64
Ridge Racer 3D
Pilotwings
Steel Diver
nintendogs + cats
Super Street Fighter IV 3D

If you can't find 3-4 games worth playing it that lot you'll never be happy - and that is just in the first three months

and after that there are the interesting ones... Ghost Recon, Samurai Warriors, Dream Trigger, Galaga Dimensions...

[Daragon]

The idea that there is a shortage of good games seems crazy to me. That just isn't true...

Zelda: OOT
Starfox 64
Ridge Racer 3D
Pilotwings
Steel Diver
nintendogs + cats
Super Street Fighter IV 3D

If you can't find 3-4 games worth playing it that lot you'll never be happy - and that is just in the first three months

and after that there are the interesting ones... Ghost Recon, Samurai Warriors, Dream Trigger, Galaga Dimensions...

In fairness, the first two in that list are enhanced ports, the 4th game is marmite but airs on the side of average, 5th game is a flat out disappointment, 6th is probably going to appeal to a lot more women than men and the last is again another enhanced port. Ridge Racer only really stands out to me because it's my entry into the series.

People on the whole however want brand new and they want decent. New should not mean average.

OoT is widely considered to be the best game in gaming history, but even that has failed to have had a promising impact on hardware sales.

[Grapple Convoy]

In fairness, the first two in that list are enhanced ports, the 4th game is marmite but airs on the side of average, 5th game is a flat out disappointment, 6th is probably going to appeal to a lot more women than men and the last is again another enhanced port. Ridge Racer only really stands out to me because it's my entry into the series.

People on the whole however want brand new and they want decent. New should not mean average.

OoT is widely considered to be the best game in gaming history, but even that has failed to have had a promising impact on hardware sales.

I have to agree with all that. Now, I like my 3DS, don't regret the purchase and use it most days, but, you're right, it's all sequels, minor updates or remakes. The GBA and DS had objectively more truly original software available at this stage in their respective lifespans than the 3DS does.

[djtickle]

Guess it depends on point of view...

I never played Zelda first time round, or even 2nd time round on GC. I only ever played Starfox at my mates never owned it and same with Pilotwings so guess im having a different experience.

GR is great

[eastyy]

played a 3ds yesterday was street fighter 4 which was good but wouldnt buy a system for it as i already have it on xbox

pilotwings was there to think i preffered the n64 and snes version (though could just be rose tinted spectacles)

[spinpug666]

Could someone clarify what this Ambassador thing means? Is it the same as the wii thing, meaning you only get the games if you get people to buy a 3ds, fill in an online form etc?
Talk about having to jump thru hoops lol

[SUMIRE]

Could someone clarify what this Ambassador thing means? Is it the same as the wii thing, meaning you only get the games if you get people to buy a 3ds, fill in an online form etc?
Talk about having to jump thru hoops lol

I was under the impression, if you buy a 3DS before the price reduction (before a certain date) and go online with your 3DS, it knows you bought it at full price, so when they do reduce the price you are entitled to the free games.

[Ouenben]

At this point I wouldnt mind Nintendo being multi platform. Mario Galaxy on my PS3? Wouldnt mind that at all!

Yesteryeargames's head would explode if that happened. Surprised he hasn't been in here to defend the 3DS yet actually.