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    How come 50" DLP sets are so cheap? I'm thinking of getting one for the bedroom.

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      With rear-projection units, all the expensive stuff sits in the bottom of the TV, irrespective of the size. The only limitation on how big the screen is made is a combination of how much relatively cheap plastic and glass they want to use, and how big they expect you to want it. Otherwise, it's just a brighter bulb.

      Personally, I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole; they give me a headache.

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        Anyone else seen this that's coming to Europe in May, the Samsung CTV-32Z30? HD-ready, two components, one HDMI, 32-inch, thin CRT, and most interestingly, ?350. They've been showing it over at CeBIT in Germany. I wonder if it suffers from any of the problems of the current CRT HDTVs because if it doesn't that could really drive HDTV adoption.

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          How come 50" DLP sets are so cheap? I'm thinking of getting one for the bedroom.
          Rear projection is generally pretty cheap to implement these days. Mid pretty much sums it up nicely as far as their cost is concerned. In the case of DLP, the various chips Texas Instruments produce for TVs and consumer projectors are rapidly coming down in price making DLP based RPTVs very attractive purchases for those seeking good value for large screens and a minimum of 1280x720 resolution. They?re an excellent solution, and no chance of burn in so they're ideal for games.
          The only thing I?d suggest with DLP is to be sure you?re not susceptible to what they call the ?rainbow effect?? I see it all the time on single chip DLP devices sadly and like Mid, they give me a headache after a while so they have never been able to seriously consider them.

          I?m sure that all paints a pretty horrific picture, but fear not. Those who suffer from such symptoms when watching DLP displays do seem to be in a minority, but it is wise to check for yourself and see if you, or anyone you live with, spot the issue.

          The Sony RPTV out in September that I mentioned a few pages back is 55 inches and 1080p, and is based around their SXRD technology which is a variant of LCOS/DILA. It?s an incredibly smooth and film like image from what is ?unlike DLP- an inherently 3-chip system (so no rainbows or headaches thank you very much). That specific model is going to be about ?2500 retail, which for what you?re getting is superb value (Cheap Electricals already have it for pre-order for about ?2250 so online prices nearer the time will likely be in the same region). If I can beat some sense into myself and resist temptation of lovely flat panels screaming at me left right and centre over the coming months -and find the space for such a beauty- I?ll sit tight and wait until the Autumn given that?s the telly I know I?d really love to have. It?s wonderful and exciting technology.

          The downside to any RPTV is depth, which tend to average at around 40cm, but even for an RPTV model in the 50? region its weight will still be a fraction of what a 32inch CRT set weighs so it's not all bad.

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            Originally posted by NekoFever
            Anyone else seen this that's coming to Europe in May, the Samsung CTV-32Z30? HD-ready, two components, one HDMI, 32-inch, thin CRT, and most interestingly, ?350. They've been showing it over at CeBIT in Germany. I wonder if it suffers from any of the problems of the current CRT HDTVs because if it doesn't that could really drive HDTV adoption.
            Been discussed on the opposite page. Someone mentioned the unit has been receiving poor reviews in the US - don't know if that information is reliable or not.

            I know I'd jump at a decent, cheap CRT high definition solution.

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              I've just spent ?1,700 on an Optoma HD72i which is DLP. I really hope I don't suffer from Rainbow Headaches.

              I can't even play the Nintendo DS as it gives me chronic 'stabbing' pains in my brain which knock my colour and even taste perception off.

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                I really would want a decent CRT HD tv. Fingers crossed it decent

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                  Originally posted by DavidFallows
                  I've just spent ?1,700 on an Optoma HD72i which is DLP. I really hope I don't suffer from Rainbow Headaches.
                  Ah - it has a 7-segment colour wheel (4x speed). So I may be in luck.
                  Last edited by dataDave; 14-03-2006, 17:37.

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                    Yeah apparently squidging the tube into a slim space causes a buncha geometry issues

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                      D'oh sorry, didn't realise it was posted. I'd be interested if they could get CRT quality into a smaller space but at the moment it looks like keeping an eye on OLED is the best bet.

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                        I've just spent ?1,700 on an Optoma HD72i which is DLP. I really hope I don't suffer from Rainbow Headaches.
                        Ah - it has a 7-segment colour wheel (4x speed). So I may be in luck.
                        Blimey that was quick. What I wouldn't give to say on one page that I was considering a certain TV, and on the next page say I'd bought it. . The better wheels certainly help, as can properly calibrating your contrast and brightness settings. I've known a lot of people to find their eyes adjust to any issues over time as well. Again, I wouldn't fret too much about it. I hope you enjoy it!

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                          Originally posted by Angry the Clown
                          Blimey that was quick. What I wouldn't give to say on one page that I was considering a certain TV, and on the next page say I'd bought it. . The better wheels certainly help, as can properly calibrating your contrast and brightness settings. I've known a lot of people to find their eyes adjust to any issues over time as well. Again, I wouldn't fret too much about it. I hope you enjoy it!
                          He was asking about DLP RP Tvs and has bought a DLP projector

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                            Ah so he has. That's an even larger leap I could have made in two pages then. My comments on calibration...etc still stand even for a single chip DLP projector. What kind of screen are you matching it with, David?

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                              Originally posted by Angry the Clown
                              Ah so he has. That's an even larger leap I could have made in two pages then. My comments on calibration...etc still stand even for a single chip DLP projector. What kind of screen are you matching it with, David?
                              It's going on my bright-white wall which I don't have any problems with. (I've used a projector on it before)

                              I was originally worried about it only having 1,300 lumins although the 5,000:1 contrast ratio more than makes up for this - bright whites no longer have ANY glare which once bled into darker areas.

                              There's a nifty little RGB SCART > VGA convertor block included too - hopefully I won't have to buy an XRGB upscan convertor. If you see me posting a pic of full-wall Neogeo tonight you know I've scored.

                              Just tested the rainbow effect with the test screen and although I do notice it if I shake my head rapidly like a spaz I doubt it's going to make an any sort impression unless I act like a spaz in future - more chance of a headache from shaking my head tbh.

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                                Managed to get this:

                                to hook up my DC and PC simultaneously, and probably the 360 in the future.

                                After setting everything up, I've noticed some 'shadowing' effects. It's similar to the component output on the 360, but not as noticeable, yet overall looks worse. When I connect the VGA cable directly to the TV from the PC, it's pin sharp, with none of this.

                                Anyone have any ideas as to what (besides the obvious switchbox is crap etc.) might be causing this?

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