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    Goodie, an economy post. Time for my monthly rant concerning the ?State of the Economy?. The arguments about this are never going to go away.

    Firstly Astral Rings. These are an independent case as the last update changed the way they were obtained. Originally they were obtained from a coffer in Castle Oztroja. Many THF would take advantage of this and use it as a money making tool. They?d pick the coffers and hopefully get an Astral Ring and sell it on the AH. The problem came in that many jobs (including THF somewhat ironically) obtain a piece of Artefact Armour (AF) from the coffer in Castle Oztroja. Many of these jobs reported difficulty in obtaining this piece of AF due to increased competition from Astral Ring hunters.

    No other coffer suffered in this way, so technically you were disadvantaged if you needed a coffer from this area. As such, S-E changed how these were obtained (now a BCNM drop) and placed a less desirable ring in the coffer. The result is that supply of the ring has dramatically dropped, so price subsequently increased. Unfortunate for those who want the ring but probably a necessary change.

    However, that doesn?t explain increasing prices on other items. Some people argue that the increasing prices are a result of natural inflation in the market. I?m sorry but whilst I have no formal training in how economics works, I do find it hard to swallow that an item increasing in price from 400k to 650k in the space of a week (seen it happen) is ?natural inflation?. Clearly something is amiss. I have had a theory over the last week that what I think may be happening.

    PLAYERS ARE SCARED OF THE FFXI ECONOMY!

    May sound ridiculous at first but I genuinely feel that the market is so unstable due to a number of factors (too numerous to mention but people buying gil thus having a lower attached value to it being a prime one) buyers are reluctant to exercise their power and are worried.

    The idea works that if buyers refuse to buy an item at a listed price, the sellers must have to lower his asking price to sell it. This is not happening. Why?

    Because all players hear nowadays is ?prices are rising on everything!!!1!!11!!1one?. So when they see 1 last Uber Item X listed on the AH with a price history 400k, but their attempts to purchase at that price fail, their initial instinct is not to wait for another to be listed at that price, instead they panic and stick their bid up to 450k because they fear that if they don?t buy it for that price now, someone else will and the process will repeat so that the next one listed will have to be bought for 500k.

    The result is that Joe Buyer is kind of happy with himself as he feels he?s beaten the economy. ?I got it for that price and the next buyer will likely have to pay more? when in actual fact some grouped patience amongst buyers could have led to everyone getting the item for significantly less.

    The reason I think this? Because it is what I feel myself. LS regulars probably know I am saving for an Elusive Earring (my gil currently stands at 660k). When I started saving last week the price was between 400k-500k. However in my process of saving the price fluctuated up to 650k and hovers between that at 600k. Last night 5 were listed on the AH. Not a great amount but enough, you?d think, to encourage a bit of price gouging among sellers.

    Not one sold for 600k (100k more thn I wanted to spend considering the price a week earlier, but yes, I was panicking ). I left it at that point. Came back online an hour later and 3 had sold for 630k, 630k and 640k.

    It?s sad and the problem is probably irrecoverable now. Players have to decide if the problems with the economy are great enough that they inhibit the fun factor of the other aspects of the game. If so, your only option is to stop playing.
    Last edited by C'; 03-02-2005, 10:56.

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      Darwock and Talizker, you are at a good point at 35 where EXP locations tend to fork out now instead of people congregating in one area at specific levels (i.e. Valkurm > Qufim > Kazham > Garlaige).

      Crawler's Nest is but one area that you can go to and the wide range of monsters in that area means that you will level there at some point in the game (it is a valid leveling zone until about 52 I think). But there are many other areas too.

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        I still don't understand how in the space of 5 sales 2.6-2.7 steady price for the haubie, then it runs out of stock for 2 days, next few on sale 2.9m,3m, 3.1m, 3.6m, 3.6m and nopw it current price of 3.7m as of last night (2 people brought it for that price) i can't believe these people, an item then it made for just over 2million in items, net a crafter 500k, now its 1.5m thanks to them and idiots who are clearly gil buying because no-one with their head screwed on would pay 1.5m+ tip for item if they didn't know the value of it. Utter stupid cockends. My only hope is this cockends run out of money and the price lowers again, but thats looking like another month of waiting.

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          In response to Rare's economy post:

          I do think you have made a good point and in alot of cases I would say that is surely the case.

          What im starting to think now is, do we have to go through the AH route to obtaining what we need.

          Equipment can either be quested or crafted in most cases and maybe the time has come to just bypass as much as we can on the AH and do things the harder way.

          I know there are situations where this is hard to do due to lvls and but maybe we should give it a try.

          Oh and one more thing, I do beleive Gilsellers are part of the reason for price increases, I think they must be having a big factor on sale prices, you got to remember they want things to cost more and go up in value and they will be constantly pushing the prices bit by bit.

          I know I am starting to lvl melee jobs now and would like a Leaping Boots and Emp Hairpin but that is over 1 million gil and I just dont think they are worth it considering the amount of time needed to farm for them.

          Anyways some good news now:

          Yesterday I managed to get:

          Stack of Silk Threads = 18k
          Tonko Scroll = 49k
          Custom Slacks = 80k
          Ninja scroll rusty leggings one = 2k
          Ninja scroll rusty subligar = 20k

          And got 148 Yagudo Necklaces with riceballs now at 158, almost enough for Utsuemi Ichi quest which will bring another 300k.

          All in all a good days farming yesterday.

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            Would anyone be able to help me with an NM soon.



            It drops the minstrels coat, also drops an item which can be sold and from what I have read is worth about 450k, which would be shared out.

            Apparently you have to fight stuff in the area to speed up the spawn rate.

            I might be checking it out this evening.

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              Is it not possible that people could be price fixing these items? (in Tobals case it seems plausible)... especially gilseller types with lots of cash already.

              Like say there is one in stock at 2.7, but they have one they want to sell for more - they could buy the 'cheap' one left in stock at the new price they want, setting the price history with none in stock, then put both up at the same price.

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                Anyone able to help me out with my Thief AF dagger?

                I foolishly thought I could solo it with my BLM main. There's something about losing 100 hp every second or so that just screams to me "Do you really want to lose an hour's worth of xp" I thought Sleep would work, and it actually did for a split second, then without contact with the mob, it woke up again

                Oooooh, I'll catch you out one day, Square-Enix. I will make it my mission to prove that there is some sick, perverted live GM watching us at all times, taking pleasure in killing off players unfairly, yet at the same time supporting the gil sellers, botters and monopolisers as they successfully make the game much harder for people to play, both physically and emotionally.

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                  Sounds like my experience against the bomb you fight for Samurai. Spawned it - bind didn't work, then it hit me for 100, 90, 100, 90 and then I was dead.

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                    Had an idea.

                    Rare you need an Elusive Earring.

                    Why dont Mihki, Tobal or Bayan and Ces do a BCNM60 - http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/quests.html?fquest=543

                    That one drops the earring.

                    They do three rounds using an orb each, if the earring drops you can agree a fair price for the earring that is more true to its real value, say 400k.

                    Ces, Mihki and Tobal or Bayan then sell the other drops.

                    Now I know this means less gil for the three doing the BCNM's but this is the sort of thing we need to start doing as a LS, favours for each other, its just one option on how we might be able to avoid paying overpriced amounts on the AH.

                    Those getting the drops get a decent amount for it, LS members gets a decent price. overall I think doing this sort of this will improve the LS as they say Everyones a Winner.

                    Oh and that BCNM60, reading posts about it seems quite a high chance for success, have not read many posts about people failing to beat it.
                    Last edited by mikewl; 03-02-2005, 13:48.

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                      Fine by me, but im a bit useless with out my snipers+master, and for the hopefully short future without a haubie+str ring.

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                        Well, the economy does work (occasionally).

                        Not sure if many people will know what a Bailathorn is. It?s a NIN only piece of equipment that goes in the ranged ammo slot (Naruto watchers will recognise them as those long thin needle type weapons that Sasuke got pelted with in an early episode when he battled Haku). Although it can be thrown (it has an Additional Effect: Bind and Ranged Accuracy+3) it is usually equipped like a Holy Ampulla purely for the stat bonus of Accuracy+3 (so in total it offers Accuracy+3 Ranged Accuracy+3 Additional Effect: Bind).

                        This morning I checked the AH and the price history read 100-110k with 4 for sale. Got mine for 80k so I was /joy (cheapest I?ve ever seen it sell for has been 80k).

                        Pretty happy with that. If only other equipment would do the same ^^

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                          Had some success yesterday, got enough fame for utsuemi ichi quest and got the scroll.

                          Also have Tonko on sale and farmed 20-30k in Rolanberry Fields.

                          If everything has sold I will have about 500k, the most ive had at one time.

                          If possible can we try BCNM60 sometime on the weekend, using my orb, I dont mind which we do.

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                            I spent all week leveling SMN to 20 so that I could do the lvl 20 Avatar fights.. this included being in a lvl 17-19 party as the only healer ><

                            Then on Sunday I spent the whole day leveling my SMN skill (which has got to be a good thing anyway) and tried 2 fights (Shiva and Ifrit) failed both of them but I know what I did wrong and next time would probably go alot better.

                            Then after all this time and energy and gil, I find out that the only way to get Fenrir is to fight the harder Avatars...

                            I know that either way you would have to fight them twice anyway because of the way it works but now I don't know what to do. Should I carry on with the tough and expensive lvl 20 fights that I can do whenever I am ready to and have the satisfaction that I went head to head with an Avatar and whooped its ass, or should I organise a lvl 60 party to go face them that would probably not happen when it's meant to and will be probably be more fun but less satisfying when they go down.

                            I don't know what the answer to that is but right now I feel like ****.

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                              Tobal did you say you could repair Carbon Rods, I broke two.

                              Could I send you the ingredients etc and could you give it a go at fixing them.

                              Cheers dude.

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                                Originally posted by C'
                                Well, the economy does work (occasionally).

                                Not sure if many people will know what a Bailathorn is. It?s a NIN only piece of equipment that goes in the ranged ammo slot (Naruto watchers will recognise them as those long thin needle type weapons that Sasuke got pelted with in an early episode when he battled Haku). Although it can be thrown (it has an Additional Effect: Bind and Ranged Accuracy+3) it is usually equipped like a Holy Ampulla purely for the stat bonus of Accuracy+3 (so in total it offers Accuracy+3 Ranged Accuracy+3 Additional Effect: Bind).

                                This morning I checked the AH and the price history read 100-110k with 4 for sale. Got mine for 80k so I was /joy (cheapest I?ve ever seen it sell for has been 80k).

                                Pretty happy with that. If only other equipment would do the same ^^
                                Wow, those were like 10k on Bahamut. The inflation in the game's economy lately thanks to the RMT situation has really screwed things up

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