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[Lebowski]

So Mogg is looking at relaxing what tremors are permissible to make fracking commercially viable, Existing rules require fracking to be halted if a tremor measuring 0.5 magnitude or above is recorded. In 2019, the company Cuadrilla Resources caused a magnitude-2.9 earthquake at its Preston New Road site so no doubt the new rules will be set well above this so that fracking can continue even if the grounds opening up and swallowing peoples homes, no doubt Mogg will justify this by telling people that they can just go to one of their other homes if there is a problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62990021

[Asura]

So Mogg is looking at relaxing what tremors are permissible to make fracking commercially viable, Existing rules require fracking to be halted if a tremor measuring 0.5 magnitude or above is recorded. In 2019, the company Cuadrilla Resources caused a magnitude-2.9 earthquake at its Preston New Road site so no doubt the new rules will be set well above this so that fracking can continue even if the grounds opening up and swallowing peoples homes, no doubt Mogg will justify this by telling people that they can just go to one of their other homes if there is a problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62990021

I hate to be that person, but whatever, I have a Geology A-Level, so I'll be the forum punching bag.

A stopped clock is right twice a day, and for Haunted Victorian Lamppost, this is one of those times. 0.5 on the Richter-scale is tiny, and honestly is too small. To use an analogy, it would be like saying the driving limit for blood alcohol is 0.001%; it would mean that if you had 1 liquer chocolate, you wouldn't be able to drive the next day.

The richterscale is actually a bad measure for these things as it's logarithmic, which is tricky for people to understand. A 3.0 earthquake is literally a thousand times more powerful than a 2.0, and a 4.0 is a million times more powerful than a 2.0.

0.5 is like loud music or a passing car. A seismometer would measure more than 0.5 if buried in the ground opposite a nightclub.

To be clear, I don't believe we should allow Fracking. But if we're going to have it, then the 0.5 limit has to go.

[fishbowlhead]

Temp ban request for using facts & science 😁

[Lebowski]

I hate to be that person, but whatever, I have a Geology A-Level, so I'll be the forum punching bag.

A stopped clock is right twice a day, and for Haunted Victorian Lamppost, this is one of those times. 0.5 on the Richter-scale is tiny, and honestly is too small. To use an analogy, it would be like saying the driving limit for blood alcohol is 0.001%; it would mean that if you had 1 liquer chocolate, you wouldn't be able to drive the next day.

The richterscale is actually a bad measure for these things as it's logarithmic, which is tricky for people to understand. A 3.0 earthquake is literally a thousand times more powerful than a 2.0, and a 4.0 is a million times more powerful than a 2.0.

0.5 is like loud music or a passing car. A seismometer would measure more than 0.5 if buried in the ground opposite a nightclub.

To be clear, I don't believe we should allow Fracking. But if we're going to have it, then the 0.5 limit has to go.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-49471321

Dr Ben Edwards, reader in seismology at the University of Liverpool, said a tremor of 2.9 would not cause structural damage

would say a pile driver be aloud to operate above 0.5? we had issues with one near our property when they where building new flats. They used pile drivers to flatten the foundations of an old factory, this caused a lot of damage to surrounding property's, (we had cracks appear in our walls and a massive stone door lintel moved) nobody could claim as their was no proof that the pile-driving was the cause despite it effecting loads of houses on our street which where all fine pre-pile driving.

[Asura]

would say a pile driver be aloud to operate above 0.5? we had issues with one near our property when they where building new flats. They used pile drivers to flatten the foundations of an old factory, this caused a lot of damage to surrounding property's, (we had cracks appear in our walls and a massive stone door lintel moved) nobody could claim as their was no proof that the pile-driving was the cause despite it effecting loads of houses on our street which where all fine pre-pile driving.

Sadly my Geology knowledge stops at A-Level, so I don't have expertise in practical things like this.

If you want to know which is harder, Apatite or Feldspar, then I'm your man

[Brad]

As long as the fracking magnitude is less than that of Adrock from the Beastie Boys (6.7 last time I checked) then I think we’re ok.

[Cassius_Smoke]

I guess it'll be reviewed once fracking causes a school to collapse on the children.

[fishbowlhead]

I guess it'll be reviewed once fracking causes a school to collapse on the children.

Only if their the children of rich people though.

[Lebowski]

Sadly my Geology knowledge stops at A-Level, so I don't have expertise in practical things like this.

If you want to know which is harder, Apatite or Feldspar, then I'm your man

looking at various papers on this it would seem that their is very little regulation on the use of pile drivers near other property's with little to no research on acceptable levels of vibrations form these things the below made me laugh

When seeking guidance in geotechnical literature, little to no information can be found regarding methods to assess permissible levels of ground vibrations with respect to risk for settlement.

[Neon Ignition]

It was 8.0 near us but then I stopped having kids
#yaknowwhatImsayin

We got our email saying our bills are going up and we'll get a quote in the next few days. Doing napkin math... we'll rise by about £40 but the Government money for the next 6 months should mean we're actually paying less per month than we have been. However... that's until we turn something gas powered on...

[Soundwave]

Got my email today for my updated bills

According to SSE my bill will go up £460 for the year

I've always been on a variable tariff & my prices will now be

Gas - £121 (up from £80)
Electric - £90 (up from £75)

I'm ok with that another £10 a week seems pretty reasonable considering how bad it was all being made out to be

Neil

[fallenangle]

I'd bet that the new monthly cost is around double what you were paying at this time last year.

[fishbowlhead]

Got my email today for my updated bills

According to SSE my bill will go up £460 for the year

I've always been on a variable tariff & my prices will now be

Gas - £121 (up from £80)
Electric - £90 (up from £75)

I'm ok with that another £10 a week seems pretty reasonable considering how bad it was all being made out to be

Neil

And this here is the real problem “i’m ok with this for now”. When the whole situation is still absolutely f****d because the gov has done less than nothing to fix the actual issue, worse in fact because the money that could of been used to make us energy independent has been literally given away to the very people that don’t need it.

Not blaming you obviously, just a rant at a symptom the gov picks up on and thinks everything is ok now.

[Golgo]

Isn't it so reassuring that everything has now temporarily stabilized at the level of 'extortionate as ****' with the expectation we will pay the rest long-term anyway?

[Asura]

Isn't it so reassuring that everything has now temporarily stabilized at the level of 'extortionate as ****' with the expectation we will pay the rest long-term anyway?

I mean, our prime minister has working history with Shell.

I think if we wanted things to reverse course, we needed to go to Westminster with pitchforks and baseball bats; but we didn't. Not blaming you or anyone else here because I didn't go either. We're at a level where I do wonder if a violent altercation, in the manner of the poll tax riots, is around the corner.