Liverpool 2010/11 Season Thread

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TANNOY: Rofflecopter landing at Anfield Helipad 2, will all LOLs please report to the loading bay.

[Kongster]

haha oh my...

[MisterBubbles]

Bet the reds would take Rafa back now.

[DaRockwilder1]

Bet the reds would take Rafa back now.

Good god no . Personal I wanted Martin o neil before Hodgson joined.

[Nu-Eclipse]

Good god no . Personal I wanted Martin o neil before Hodgson joined.

That's a joke, right?

I'd have Rafa back tomorrow, personally. And EVERYBODY connected with the club knows damn well that this was the man who should've succeeded Rafa (at least in the short-term). He would've definitely done better in our first 7 league games than out-of-his-depth Roy, that's for sure.

[DaRockwilder1]

That's a joke, right?

I'd have Rafa back tomorrow, personally. And EVERYBODY connected with the club knows damn well that this was the man who should've succeeded Rafa (at least in the short-term). He would've definitely done better in our first 7 league games than out-of-his-depth Roy, that's for sure.

Definitely Dalglish, how can I forget about that legend but Martin would would have been far better that Hodgson.

[Team Andromeda]

Definitely Dalglish, how can I forget about that legend but Martin would would have been far better that Hodgson.

Kenny been out of the game for years and didn't set the world alight at Newcastle . Not sure he would make any difference tbh, not with a squad and bench as average as Liverpool's (that's where the real problem lies)

[Scythe]

I was very pessimistic when Roy joined (my feelings on rafas sacking are well documented) hoping it would be a reverse psychology think and he would surprise me.

That worked well!

[Nu-Eclipse]

Kenny been out of the game for years and didn't set the world alight at Newcastle . Not sure he would make any difference tbh, not with a squad and bench as average as Liverpool's (that's where the real problem lies)

Not sure that Kenny's absence from the game would've been that big a problem for a short-term managerial role - he is currently in charge of the Club's Youth Academy (appointed by Rafa) and he is an Ambassador as well. I mean, he hasn't exactly been hiding underneath a rock since his time at Newcastle, has he?

Also, the majority of the squad finished runners-up in the League two seasons ago, four points off the title and with the club's best-ever Premier League points total, so I'm not sure it's that average - seems to be in need of motivation and fresh ideas (as much as obvious player reinforcements), something that Roy seems clearly unable to provide judging by results thus far.

[Adrock]

So, where do we start?

I called this to a few friends a couple of days ago. Liverpool are just so static and stuck in their tactical shackles. Woy is stuck in his ways, the system of football works for the kind of club he has managed in the past but I think at Liverpool something else is needed. Creativity is being stifled and that is where its all going wrong.

I'm not entirely sure what the club can do. I'm loathe to suggest Woy needs sacking, its just not what happens at Liverpool. I'd much rather he was given time to see what he can accomplish, at least until Christmas. If the club are seriously in danger of relegation then obviously a change will need to be made, anything else and I'd rather keep Woy on. On the other hand I'm worried, if his tactical system is carried through and the club begins to recruit the kind of player he requires for such a system I'd rather stop watching.

[Team Andromeda]

Not sure that Kenny's absence from the game would've been that big a problem for a short-term managerial role - he is currently in charge of the Club's Youth Academy (appointed by Rafa) and he is an Ambassador as well. I mean, he hasn't exactly been hiding underneath a rock since his time at Newcastle, has he?

Running the Club Youth Team is hardly comparably to being a full Time Manager with your own back room staff and Scout networks .
Kenny looked a little of his depth at Newcastle and the game moved on years from those days
And how well is Liverpool youth scheme these days, any good players coming through the ranks under ?. Steve Heighway says it was in a complete mess under Rafa, though I guess that good just be bad eggs.

the majority of the squad finished runners-up in the League two seasons ago and with the club's best-ever Premier League points total

Yeah a complete one off, Much like Newcastle

I really think its about time Liverpool fans woke up to how average you 1st side and Bench really are and how much money as been wasted on bit part players & average players (?17 Million on Glen Johnson WTF).
Sure the 2 Americans needs to go and go now, but Liverpool are in a mess on the field as well as off it and a lot of is down to the current Squad

You're looking at yet another rebuilding job, but with not a lot of money.
So a short Term appointment is the last think Liverpool needs really.

[Nu-Eclipse]

And how well is Liverpool youth scheme these days, any good players coming through the ranks under ?. Steve Heighway says it was in a complete mess under Rafa, though I guess that good just be bad eggs.

Here we go again - he's back.

Rafa only got complete control of the Youth Academy last year. Before that, it was run by Rick Parry, the former Chief Executive of the Club. The damage to it had long been done by him and Gerard Houllier before then.

I really think its about time Liverpool fans woke up to how average you 1st side and Bench really are and how much money as been wasted on bit part players & average players (£17 Million on Glen Johnson WTF).

And shouldn't the ill-informed like yourself wake up and realize that Liverpool had 12 representative players at the World Cup - more than any other English Club? That doesn't happen if a Club only has just average players.

Also, the total sum spent on Glen Johnson (England's 1st-choice at Right-Back, BTW) wasn't £17m as Pompey still owed us money from the Peter Crouch sale, as EVERYONE knows. Really, how are you still not knowing basic facts like this?

You're looking at yet another rebuilding job, but with not a lot of money.
So a short Term appointment is the last think Liverpool needs really.

Actually try and apply some thought into what you've just written - how can there be a rebuilding job if there isn't money? Do you know what the word "Contradiction" means?

The club may yet soon be sold. A new owner will almost certainly want a manager of their own choosing. Ergo, it would make sense for somebody to have the role on a caretaker basis in the interim period of between now and when that happens - Kenny's credentials, back-of-hand knowledge of the club and sheer love of it would surely make him ideal for at least that, no? Newcastle is a minor blip on his CV in comparison with his achievements managing Liverpool and Blackburn Rovers.

Oh, and Roy Hodgson was given a three-year contract. Do you think that's long-term?

[Team Andromeda]

Rafa only got complete control of the Youth Academy last year. Before that, it was run by Rick Parry, the former Chief Executive of the Club. The damage to it had long been done by him and Gerard Houllier before then.

So not much coming through then ?

more than any other English Club? That doesn't happen if a Club only has just average players

That all depends on the countries the players play for.

Also, the total sum spent on Glen Johnson (England's 1st-choice at Right-Back, BTW) wasn't ?17m as Pompey still owed us money from the Peter Crouch

Yes England had storming World Cup didn't they, and Johnson is doing so well at Liverpool .
You keep bringing up World Cup players , Crouch plays for his country, yet Livepool got rid of him, Keane players for his country, but Liverpool knew better and keeps David N'Gog the Proven International striker .

Actually try and apply some thought into what you've just written - how can there be a rebuilding job if there isn't money? Do you know what the word "Contradiction" means

I said not a lot of money; Not that you can drop/sell players, bring in new with out spending millions. Some Managers are rather good at it.

Kenny's credentials, back-of-hand knowledge of the club and sheer love of it would surely make him ideal for at least that, no

The trouble with Kenny is exactly his record. They'll be huge expectations at the Club, and a lot of fans wanting Kenny to have the job for Life. I wouldn't like to say if Kenny could have done any better, not with out being able to bring new players in.

There is a manager with a proven track record at getting the best out of his players and not spending much money , as we seen today .

Maybe Liverpool should have gone for Ian. I think he would have done a better Job than Roy

[Nu-Eclipse]

So not much coming through then ?

Owen & Gerrard were the last great products of our Youth System - that was over a decade ago. Are you now going to turn around and say that that's Rafa's fault as well? What he has done is move a lot of youngsters who weren''t good enough on for (small) profits most of the time.

That all depends on the countries the players play for.

Spain & Holland (played out World Cup Final, I believe), Slovakia (beat ex-world champs Italy), Denmark, England, Greece, Serbia (beat Germany) and Argentina (off the top of my head).

Yes England had storming World Cup didn't they, and Johnson is doing so well at Liverpool .
You keep bringing up World Cup players , Crouch plays for his country, yet Livepool got rid of him, Keane players for his country, but Liverpool knew better and keeps David N'Gog the Proven International striker .

Oh, that's right - Glen Johnson is solely to blame for England's World Cup, isn't he?

Again - you need to learn basic facts...Crouch wanted to leave, Rafa wanted him to stay and offered him a new contract. We might've been able to keep him had we been able to pay him more to sit on the bench (like he is doing at Spurs now), but we couldn't.

Robbie Keane was clearly rubbish in the short time that he was the Club, and all the evidence at the time strongly suggests that Rick Parry pushed through the signing and not Rafa.

N'Gog can be questioned (I suppose), but clearly he has potential.

I said not a lot of money; Not that you can drop/sell players, bring in new with out spending millions. Some Managers are rather good at it.

I honestly think that you'll find (in your own words) that the game has changed significantly in how players are scouted globally. Everybody is doing the same thing ie. building networks and scouring the world for the best young players. Clearly, it now comes down to who can pay the most for said players. The likes of Arsenal may not pay big fees but they pay big wages to their young players and have a significant advantage in being a London club (something that Alex Ferguson of all managers, has noted). Again, do you really not grasp this? It's very simple.

The trouble with Kenny is exactly his record. They'll be huge expectations at the Club, and a lot of fans wanting Kenny to have the job for Life. I wouldn't like to say if Kenny could have done any better, not with out being able to bring new players in.

All I'll say on this is that Liverpool fans aren't as fickle as you make them out to be. They're not idiots - they know what's going on regarding the state of the club. I do feel that someone of his stature within the Club would be able to motivate the current squad a lot better than the current fool.

There is a manager with a proven track record at getting the best out of his players and not spending much money , as we seen today .

Maybe Liverpool should have gone for Ian. I think he would have done a better Job than Roy

With the greatest of respect, Ian Holloway's "proven track record" is in the lower leagues, where it is easier to do as such. Fair play to him and Blackpool, but survival really will be a massive over-achievement for them this season.

[Adrock]

Bah, ignorance ahoy!

Crouch requested the move, surprisingly Torres was keeping him out of the team!

Keane made 19 appearances, the majority of those were starting and playing maybe 60-80 minutes of the match. He was simply crap. He was also a Parry signing, the manager never requested his signing.

I hate being drawn into some of the rubbish you post Andromeda so I haven't replied to anything else. I leave it at that, mainly because both of those aren't opinions, but facts :P