PlayStation 5: Thread 05

[dataDave]

This presentation did a good job of ****ting on the regular PS5. Now I’m even further away from thinking about one of those.

[MartyG]

I think this model is really not going to sell well. It's really offering very, very little for a massive uplift in cost.

It's going to sell out day one of the pre-orders. People drop over a £1000 on graphics cards, they're not going to worry about dropping £700 on the PS5 Pro - the PS5 was selling for more in the shortages and people were still snapping them up.

The market pool is smaller (and of course Sony know this), but if you think it's too expensive, you're not the target market.

[nonny]

It's going to sell out day one of the pre-orders. People drop over a £1000 on graphics cards, they're not going to worry about dropping £700 on the PS5 Pro - the PS5 was selling for more in the shortages and people were still snapping them up.

The market pool is smaller (and of course Sony know this), but if you think it's too expensive, you're not the target market.

Yeah this is true. The PS4 Pro and Xbox One X only sold to 10% of the overall user base and that is who will buy this. I'll be honest I didn't even notice yesterday that it comes without the disc drive or a stand, which I think is telling of where the market is going... but also makes that sticker shock even more cheeky.

It will sell fine but I don't think the actual presentation itself was very good. Cerny talking about the big 3 is fine but trying to discern graphical improvements from a youtube presentation is never going to be worthwhile.

The conversion rate to pricing in other territories is pretty horrendous as well. Ouch!

[QualityChimp]

it's very common for games to offer 'Quality' and 'Performance' modes you can choose between.

Let me tell you, my many lovers will attest that I deliver Quality and Performance.




At least, I've never had any complaints on the feedback forms I give them afterwards.

[Dogg Thang]

Absolutely right, yeah. There were no PS4 Pro exclusives. I'd be very confident in saying there won't be any PS5 Pro exclusives either.

Since you're new to PS5, something to know about this gen is that it's very common for games to offer 'Quality' and 'Performance' modes you can choose between. Quality is usually roughly 4K resolution and 30fps. Performance is roughly 1440p resolution and 60fps..

Thanks for that info.

I went to have a quick look at PS4 Pro reviews for context and it seems like the big difference there was the jump to 4K televisions so there was at least a clear generation leap of some sort (albeit probably not needed for most people). I have to say I'm happy with the PS5 performance so far as a new user. The price of the Pro has certainly removed any feeling that I bought at the wrong time - I never would have paid it. And I'd only feel like I'm missing out if there are exclusives.

In terms of Quality and Performance modes, is the default there set by the system or individually game by game?

[Atticus]

I like having a disc-based system under the living room tv as I use it for films. A digital system + optional disc drive isn't attractive ... harks back to the 360 and the HD dvd drive

I'll probably get on board eventually (GTA 6 60fps might be a factor in that, unless Microsoft can offer the same for less) but I can't see me going nuts for a launch model.

[QualityChimp]

It's been fascinating to see the general response to this.
I've not done a voxpop on the streets, but here, Facebook, Threads and YouTube are generally "That sounds lovely, but not at that price".

It's interesting to see Sony stumble a little bit as it feels like it's been a while, other than the relentless studio closures, which it feels we're becoming immune to the shock of.

[Neon Ignition]

Most of the online comments on the system from those still open to it seem to be relying on it being a 60fps machine for GTA6


GTA6 isn't going to be 60fps


Hell, if one company explictly has a title ill suited this gen to being 60fps whilst also actively having a strong business case to purposely not offer a 60fps mode - it's Rockstar

[fishbowlhead]

Most of the online comments on the system from those still open to it seem to be relying on it being a 60fps machine for GTA6


GTA6 isn't going to be 60fps


Hell, if one company explictly has a title ill suited this gen to being 60fps whilst also actively having a strong business case to purposely not offer a 60fps mode - it's Rockstar

You say that, but the stats don’t lie, 75% want 60fps. I recon on pro at the very least Sony will force this on Rockstar.

[wakka]

Thanks for that info.

I went to have a quick look at PS4 Pro reviews for context and it seems like the big difference there was the jump to 4K televisions so there was at least a clear generation leap of some sort (albeit probably not needed for most people). I have to say I'm happy with the PS5 performance so far as a new user. The price of the Pro has certainly removed any feeling that I bought at the wrong time - I never would have paid it. And I'd only feel like I'm missing out if there are exclusives.

In terms of Quality and Performance modes, is the default there set by the system or individually game by game?

You set it game by game. There's no system setting for it.

They often ask you when you start the game which you want or you just go into the settings to find the option.

[fishbowlhead]

You set it game by game. There's no system setting for it.

They often ask you when you start the game which you want or you just go into the settings to find the option.

There is a system setting for it actually, in the PS5 settings, it’s under game presets. And it does work, will set every game you start up to performance/resolution depending on your setting, it’s quite handy.

[wakka]

Oh that's a great tip, I didn't know that

That sounds like it works a lot better than the global setting for Y axis inversion, which I've always found a bit unreliable in terms of which games actually respect it.

[MartyG]

It's interesting to see Sony stumble a little bit as it feels like it's been a while, other than the relentless studio closures, which it feels we're becoming immune to the shock of.

I don't think they've stumbled at all, not on this - they know their target market and that's exactly who they've priced this at. They'll be hoping that these people don't bother with the optical drive and fill their 2TB NVME drive with full price day-one digital releases and profit. And I suspect that's exactly what's going to happen, so if they only sell a few million of them (maybe 7-10% of the existing userbase), that'll be some nice margin over the lifetime of the console.

[fishbowlhead]

I don't think they've stumbled at all, not on this - they know their target market and that's exactly who they've priced this at. They'll be hoping that these people don't bother with the optical drive and fill their 2TB NVME drive with full price day-one digital releases and profit. And I suspect that's exactly what's going to happen, so if they only sell a few million of them (maybe 7-10% of the existing userbase), that'll be some nice margin over the lifetime of the console.

If it does whats advertised, 60fps at 4k, then it’s still bang for buck hardware wise. A 4070 is £489 on Amazon (just a cursory price look) that’s just for the card, you still need everything else PC wise if you want to go that route.

This is only going to be for a small subsection of PlayStation owners plus im guessing the hardware is being sold at a profit, rather than a subsidised loss like is traditional, so its going to be expensive.

[fishbowlhead]

This presentation did a good job of ****ting on the regular PS5. Now I’m even further away from thinking about one of those.

You wouldn’t buy one anyway Dave